Relegation/Promotion?

SawyerDR19 · 08-28-2016, 10:28 PM

Can anyone help me how to make a promotion/relegation type league? I'm not picky just looking for help.

BigRed75 · 08-29-2016, 09:05 AM

Once the offseason starts, you'd have to move teams manually to the new leagues using the Edit League Structure screen, then re-build the schedule.

Actually, if you move the teams before the new schedule is generated (which is at the start of the pre-season, I think), you won't even have to worry about rebuilding the schedule.

SawyerDR19 · 08-29-2016, 09:15 AM

Thanks so much dude

gregisawesome13 · 08-29-2016, 09:17 AM

Another method I have been doing is to have my second division as a subleague. With a schedule you make them play the other side in one series if you like or you can make them not play each other at all and run your playoffs from one subleague.

This only works if you want the cap, media contracts, trading, and rules to be shared.

BigRed75 · 08-29-2016, 07:56 PM

That's a good idea. You can go in and edit the financials and market size of the second division teams so that they (theoretically) have a small piece of the pie).

slugger922cubs · 08-29-2016, 08:38 PM

Unless they've changed it the best time to move teams up and down was on the first day of the preseason. If you moved any earlier it messed up your league history by putting teams in leagues the leagues you put them in for history.This does mean you need to regen or reload schedules but typically takes a couple minutes.

BigRed75 · 08-30-2016, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by slugger922cubs

Unless they've changed it the best time to move teams up and down was on the first day of the preseason. If you moved any earlier it messed up your league history by putting teams in leagues the leagues you put them in for history.This does mean you need to regen or reload schedules but typically takes a couple minutes.

That is sound advice. I have found this to be the case as well with my various OOTP17 test leagues.

jparker2112 · 08-30-2016, 01:10 PM

What about minors though? If you move, say LA Dodgers, to Baseball Competitive League (down from MLB) do you have to move ALL levels of minors as well? OR do you just do a massive reserve roster? AND if you DO the reserve roster, do rookies get better as time progresses as they would if they were in minors getting playing time? I LOVE the PRO/REL idea but havent found a way to do it thats very easy

slugger922cubs · 08-30-2016, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jparker2112

What about minors though? If you move, say LA Dodgers, to Baseball Competitive League (down from MLB) do you have to move ALL levels of minors as well? OR do you just do a massive reserve roster? AND if you DO the reserve roster, do rookies get better as time progresses as they would if they were in minors getting playing time? I LOVE the PRO/REL idea but havent found a way to do it thats very easy

When you move the parent club the affiliate tag should stay for its minor league rosters even though it will show up as black in the league settings menu. So if you wanted to leave minors in place it should be in theory fine. However you can also move minor league teams with them if you desire or go with reserves. Its a matter of preference. Im in the USBA a P/R online league we move affiliates with their parent teams. In the truest P/R system you'd probably go with reserves because minor league level players would start towards the bottom of the pyramid and work up. Soccer teams often only have 1 true minor league team which is under 23 level with cap on over 23 players typically only used for conditioning out of shape players and then an assortment of Youth clubs they use to train players.

tlowe77 · 08-30-2016, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by slugger922cubs

Unless they've changed it the best time to move teams up and down was on the first day of the preseason. If you moved any earlier it messed up your league history by putting teams in leagues the leagues you put them in for history.This does mean you need to regen or reload schedules but typically takes a couple minutes.

I always move mine on the day free agency filing starts and it has yet to mess anything up. I'm 30 odd years in as well. So once all the awards are done it should be good to move them.

Moving them on the free agency filing helps the team going up to the "top league" sign better players/players being more interested playing for that team as they are in a better league now. I also give the promoted team a cash bonus for winning the 2nd division to help them be more competitive.

BigRed75 · 08-30-2016, 08:00 PM

I would think that if you are doing pro/rel, you wouldn't have minor league affiliates, just a reserve roster. Heck, you'd probably have a fictional league, most likely.

If you look at the sport(s) with pro/rel, they have reserve rosters, not minor league affiliates. Now, in some countries (i.e. Spain and Germany) the reserve teams play in the pyramid system, not in a reserve league. If the parent club gets relegated to the same league as the reserve squad, then the reserves get bumped down, too, no matter how well they finished.

If I was doing a pro/rel league, and I wanted minor league affiliates, here's how I would do it: I would have two or three "major" leagues with different financials. The parent clubs would bounce around those leagues, and the worst club in the worst major league wouldn't get relegated. Essentially, it's a closed system. The minor leagues would sit under that.

Yes, there's no facility in this set up for minor league teams to get promoted, but in my mind, why should the Buffalo Bisons, say, move up to the Major Leagues if they are successful with players under contract to the New York Mets? Especially if the Mets can recall those players whenever they choose.

You may or may not like the idea of a closed system. I think that if you truly want a scenario where someday you may see the Batavia Muckdogs playing in the American League, you need to go with reserve rosters and have the Muckdogs sign their own players and earn it honestly. But then again, I've never played or set up a pro/rel league, so take it with a grain of salt.

slugger922cubs · 08-30-2016, 08:27 PM

The issue with moving the parent clubs within divisions or sub leagues within one leagues is you lose the ability to have unique finances between each level which is really what makes P/R gel. As the clubs rise up they hit a plateau in the market and can not go higher. Its really a capital based system where as a closed is a more talent based system. To get a proper functioning P/R system id also remove the draft or only draft at the lowest levels. Higher teams should be signing FAs and IFAs and trading spare parts down for stronger players.

08-28-2016, 10:28 PM	#1
SawyerDR19 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 43	Relegation/Promotion? Can anyone help me how to make a promotion/relegation type league? I'm not picky just looking for help.

08-29-2016, 09:05 AM	#2
BigRed75 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,423	Once the offseason starts, you'd have to move teams manually to the new leagues using the Edit League Structure screen, then re-build the schedule. Actually, if you move the teams before the new schedule is generated (which is at the start of the pre-season, I think), you won't even have to worry about rebuilding the schedule. Attached Images __________________ Mainline team SPTT team Was not a Snag fan...until I saw the fallout once he was gone and realized what a good job he was actually doing. - Ty Cobb

08-29-2016, 07:56 PM	#5
BigRed75 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,423	That's a good idea. You can go in and edit the financials and market size of the second division teams so that they (theoretically) have a small piece of the pie). __________________ Mainline team SPTT team Was not a Snag fan...until I saw the fallout once he was gone and realized what a good job he was actually doing. - Ty Cobb

08-30-2016, 08:00 PM	#11
BigRed75 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,423	I would think that if you are doing pro/rel, you wouldn't have minor league affiliates, just a reserve roster. Heck, you'd probably have a fictional league, most likely. If you look at the sport(s) with pro/rel, they have reserve rosters, not minor league affiliates. Now, in some countries (i.e. Spain and Germany) the reserve teams play in the pyramid system, not in a reserve league. If the parent club gets relegated to the same league as the reserve squad, then the reserves get bumped down, too, no matter how well they finished. If I was doing a pro/rel league, and I wanted minor league affiliates, here's how I would do it: I would have two or three "major" leagues with different financials. The parent clubs would bounce around those leagues, and the worst club in the worst major league wouldn't get relegated. Essentially, it's a closed system. The minor leagues would sit under that. Yes, there's no facility in this set up for minor league teams to get promoted, but in my mind, why should the Buffalo Bisons, say, move up to the Major Leagues if they are successful with players under contract to the New York Mets? Especially if the Mets can recall those players whenever they choose. You may or may not like the idea of a closed system. I think that if you truly want a scenario where someday you may see the Batavia Muckdogs playing in the American League, you need to go with reserve rosters and have the Muckdogs sign their own players and earn it honestly. But then again, I've never played or set up a pro/rel league, so take it with a grain of salt. __________________ Mainline team SPTT team Was not a Snag fan...until I saw the fallout once he was gone and realized what a good job he was actually doing. - Ty Cobb

08-29-2016, 09:15 AM	#3
SawyerDR19 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 43	Thanks so much dude

08-29-2016, 09:17 AM	#4
gregisawesome13 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 200	Another method I have been doing is to have my second division as a subleague. With a schedule you make them play the other side in one series if you like or you can make them not play each other at all and run your playoffs from one subleague. This only works if you want the cap, media contracts, trading, and rules to be shared.

08-29-2016, 08:38 PM	#6
slugger922cubs Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 314	Unless they've changed it the best time to move teams up and down was on the first day of the preseason. If you moved any earlier it messed up your league history by putting teams in leagues the leagues you put them in for history.This does mean you need to regen or reload schedules but typically takes a couple minutes.

08-30-2016, 01:10 PM	#8
jparker2112 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Denver CO Posts: 882	What about minors though? If you move, say LA Dodgers, to Baseball Competitive League (down from MLB) do you have to move ALL levels of minors as well? OR do you just do a massive reserve roster? AND if you DO the reserve roster, do rookies get better as time progresses as they would if they were in minors getting playing time? I LOVE the PRO/REL idea but havent found a way to do it thats very easy

08-30-2016, 08:27 PM	#12
slugger922cubs Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 314	The issue with moving the parent clubs within divisions or sub leagues within one leagues is you lose the ability to have unique finances between each level which is really what makes P/R gel. As the clubs rise up they hit a plateau in the market and can not go higher. Its really a capital based system where as a closed is a more talent based system. To get a proper functioning P/R system id also remove the draft or only draft at the lowest levels. Higher teams should be signing FAs and IFAs and trading spare parts down for stronger players.