+++ OOTP 5.12 Patch released! +++ - Page 3

Mariner and Giants Fan · 07-07-2003, 07:49 PM

Thanks Marcu and all involved, you truly have the best customer support.

lschaef · 07-07-2003, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sweed
thanks Markus, enjoy the time off.

He said he was going out of town...he didn't say he was taking time off...

He's taking a laptop...right? right!? right!?!?

Well...actually I hope he IS taking time off...he deserves it!

DXPUNK · 07-07-2003, 11:35 PM

Thanks for all your hard work put into making this great game!

bernstde4 · 07-08-2003, 09:54 AM

Thanks Markus

bigphesta · 07-08-2003, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AngelinOF
Nope even if you have your pitching rotation set to strict order and a 4 man rotation the CPU will still override that and start the #1 starter for game 4.

Then this is NOT fixed. NOT AT ALL! I do NOT want a 3 man rotation in the playoffs. Put it back to the way it was. Teams can then select if they want a 3,4, or 5 man rotation. Have it programmed that in the post season the cpu ai goes back to a 3 man, but it does not override what the human users set up. this SUCKS. It was finally fixed, then changes back for NO reason.

Needless to say, I'm a bit torqued about this!

hamonrye · 07-08-2003, 01:56 PM

bigphesta-
Patch 5.11 changed the pitching rotation so that the computer would throw 1-2-1-2-3-1-2 in the playoffs no matter what the era was. This was totally unrealistic, so it was changed back to 1-2-3-1-2-3-1. I think you should be able to change it to a 4 man rotation if you'd like, but keeping it as 1-2-1-2-3-1-2 for the computer was not realistic.

The league I run, I have no human controlled teams so there was no way to change the rotation AI at all. I don't see how having the computer AI throwing the game 1 starter in game 3 on 2 days rest constitutes being fixed. There has to be a way to make everyone happy in this scenario. I think the way it was in 5.11 was that the computer AI threw a strict 3 man rotation in the playoffs as if it was 1900, meaning the computer pitchers only needed 2 days rest, hence the game 1 starter coming back in game 3. This would happen even if you were running a season in the year 2000. I can't think of one circumstance in recent memory where a manager came back with the game 1 starter in game 3 in ANY circumstance, even down 0-2. Come to think of it, in order to justify 1-2-1-2-3-1-2, I would need to see a hundred real life examples of this, considering the computer will do this EVERY TIME in the playoffs.

I just wanted to post this to let you know that not everyone wanted it kept as 1-2-1-2-3-1-2. Maybe for the next patch, there can be a way to make it possible to customize this however you'd like no matter what the specific circumstances in the league you're running. That would be nice.

HackDNize · 07-08-2003, 03:30 PM

Awesome!

Henry · 07-08-2003, 04:25 PM

Guys.... I'm at work and can't confirm this, but...

It would seem to me that if I wanted to use a rotation (or any other lineup change) different than what the AI provides, I would (1) set both teams to human controlled, (2) make any lineup or rotation changes I wanted on each team, (3) start the game, and then (4) sim the results. I believe, at that point, the AI would take over all the decisions.

Isn't that a reasonable workaround ?

Henry

Le Grande Orange · 07-09-2003, 01:52 AM

From a historical point of view, one should also remember that prior to around 1960, there were NO off days for travel in the World Series if the cities were close enough together.

Thus, for example, the 1956 WS between the New York Yankees and Brooklyn Dodgers was played on consecutive days, with NO off days. Using even the 1-2-3-1-2-3-1 rotation in this case would mean the starter for game 4 would be starting on two days rest.

Granted, few people use historically accurate postseason scheduling, but even so, it is another factor to be considered.

Perhaps an entirely new way for the AI to determine its postseason pitching rotation, factoring in the number of days of rest that the scheduled starter has had, is in order...

Tarin · 07-13-2003, 01:38 AM

stupid question. I just reinstalled my copy of OOTP5 tonight after loosing the original due to a Hard drive crash. Do I need to download 5.11 and install it first, or can I go directly with 5.12?

TC Dale · 07-13-2003, 01:41 AM

Go directly to 5.12.

beorn · 07-15-2003, 07:30 AM

1) Two on line leagues that I know of have suddenly started having trouble with the commish not getting lineups that were definitely sent.

2) I had a relief pitcher show up as tired. He has a D endurance as a starter and a B endurance as a reliever. He threw 16 pitches yesterday and 16 pitches 4 days ago...

Assuming that this is wrong and he should not be tired, here's what I think happened. His role was listed as "starter." Could it be that the new "starter tiring as a reliever" coding accidentally overrides a reliever rating when the role is listed as starter?

(This guy was not in the rotation -- just a minor leaguer up for a cup of coffee.)

ctorg · 07-24-2003, 10:28 AM

Now that OOTP will be splitting from .400, perhaps we will see patches with greater frequency and/or more features added. Not that he's been a slacker.

IBLPresident · 08-17-2003, 11:10 PM

i download it and i go to the zip folder and i go to extract all and i click yes to all...and this password thing pops up. I need the password and how will i know the patch is working?

woburn · 08-28-2003, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by beorn
2) I had a relief pitcher show up as tired. He has a D endurance as a starter and a B endurance as a reliever. He threw 16 pitches yesterday and 16 pitches 4 days ago...

Assuming that this is wrong and he should not be tired, here's what I think happened. His role was listed as "starter." Could it be that the new "starter tiring as a reliever" coding accidentally overrides a reliever rating when the role is listed as starter?

I'm fairly certain I'm experiencing this as well. We run a historical league that has just hit 1920. Almost pitchers are classified as starters during this time period, but many have to take bullpen roles. Almost all have "C" rating for relief duration.

But it seems they show as tired, even making one appearance in the last 5 days for as little as 15 pitches.

Has anyone found a way around this?
(other than changing every single pitcher to "MR")....

ctorg · 09-15-2003, 03:32 PM

I think it's time to un-sticky this thread and clear up some of the clutter at the top of the forum.

jened · 09-17-2003, 10:47 PM

i second ctorg's motion!

07-07-2003, 11:35 PM	#43
DXPUNK Bat Boy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Burlington, MA Posts: 7	Thanks for all your hard work put into making this great game! __________________ Great is Baseball. The National Tonic. The Revival of Hope. The Restorer of Confidence. -- The Sporting News, circa 1930's

07-08-2003, 03:30 PM	#47
HackDNize Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: 9th Circle of HELL, Rhode Island Posts: 14	Awesome! __________________ Peace to all.

07-13-2003, 01:38 AM	#50
Tarin Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: J-Ville Posts: 325	stupid question. I just reinstalled my copy of OOTP5 tonight after loosing the original due to a Hard drive crash. Do I need to download 5.11 and install it first, or can I go directly with 5.12? __________________ T

07-13-2003, 01:41 AM	#51
TC Dale Global Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,960	Go directly to 5.12. __________________ ----------------------------------

07-15-2003, 07:30 AM	#52
beorn All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: near Rochester, NY Posts: 1,269	Possible issues 1) Two on line leagues that I know of have suddenly started having trouble with the commish not getting lineups that were definitely sent. 2) I had a relief pitcher show up as tired. He has a D endurance as a starter and a B endurance as a reliever. He threw 16 pitches yesterday and 16 pitches 4 days ago... Assuming that this is wrong and he should not be tired, here's what I think happened. His role was listed as "starter." Could it be that the new "starter tiring as a reliever" coding accidentally overrides a reliever rating when the role is listed as starter? (This guy was not in the rotation -- just a minor leaguer up for a cup of coffee.) __________________ Commish of Dog Days Baseball Commish Pennant Chase Baseball League (PCBL) Commish and Blue Jays GM Extra Innings Baseball

07-07-2003, 07:49 PM	#41
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Port Townsend, WA. Posts: 1,264	Thanks Marcu and all involved, you truly have the best customer support.

07-08-2003, 09:54 AM	#44
bernstde4 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 37	Thanks Markus

07-08-2003, 01:56 PM	#46
hamonrye Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 335	bigphesta- Patch 5.11 changed the pitching rotation so that the computer would throw 1-2-1-2-3-1-2 in the playoffs no matter what the era was. This was totally unrealistic, so it was changed back to 1-2-3-1-2-3-1. I think you should be able to change it to a 4 man rotation if you'd like, but keeping it as 1-2-1-2-3-1-2 for the computer was not realistic. The league I run, I have no human controlled teams so there was no way to change the rotation AI at all. I don't see how having the computer AI throwing the game 1 starter in game 3 on 2 days rest constitutes being fixed. There has to be a way to make everyone happy in this scenario. I think the way it was in 5.11 was that the computer AI threw a strict 3 man rotation in the playoffs as if it was 1900, meaning the computer pitchers only needed 2 days rest, hence the game 1 starter coming back in game 3. This would happen even if you were running a season in the year 2000. I can't think of one circumstance in recent memory where a manager came back with the game 1 starter in game 3 in ANY circumstance, even down 0-2. Come to think of it, in order to justify 1-2-1-2-3-1-2, I would need to see a hundred real life examples of this, considering the computer will do this EVERY TIME in the playoffs. I just wanted to post this to let you know that not everyone wanted it kept as 1-2-1-2-3-1-2. Maybe for the next patch, there can be a way to make it possible to customize this however you'd like no matter what the specific circumstances in the league you're running. That would be nice.

07-08-2003, 04:25 PM	#48
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Guys.... I'm at work and can't confirm this, but... It would seem to me that if I wanted to use a rotation (or any other lineup change) different than what the AI provides, I would (1) set both teams to human controlled, (2) make any lineup or rotation changes I wanted on each team, (3) start the game, and then (4) sim the results. I believe, at that point, the AI would take over all the decisions. Isn't that a reasonable workaround ? Henry

07-09-2003, 01:52 AM	#49
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	From a historical point of view, one should also remember that prior to around 1960, there were NO off days for travel in the World Series if the cities were close enough together. Thus, for example, the 1956 WS between the New York Yankees and Brooklyn Dodgers was played on consecutive days, with NO off days. Using even the 1-2-3-1-2-3-1 rotation in this case would mean the starter for game 4 would be starting on two days rest. Granted, few people use historically accurate postseason scheduling, but even so, it is another factor to be considered. Perhaps an entirely new way for the AI to determine its postseason pitching rotation, factoring in the number of days of rest that the scheduled starter has had, is in order...

07-24-2003, 10:28 AM	#53
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Now that OOTP will be splitting from .400, perhaps we will see patches with greater frequency and/or more features added. Not that he's been a slacker. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

08-17-2003, 11:10 PM	#54
IBLPresident Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 34	hey i download it and i go to the zip folder and i go to extract all and i click yes to all...and this password thing pops up. I need the password and how will i know the patch is working?

09-15-2003, 03:32 PM	#56
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I think it's time to un-sticky this thread and clear up some of the clutter at the top of the forum. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

09-17-2003, 10:47 PM	#57
jened Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: upstate NY (saratoga county) Posts: 255	i second ctorg's motion! __________________ cooper_gd's OTWE Results OTWE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION: KING JENED III