Tired Relief pitchers

Bobfather · 08-16-2016, 02:43 AM

After about a week most of the relief pitchers in my organization are tired. I even had to recall someone from waivers, who didn't pitch for 3 days ans he is tired. I was looking at stamina and that seemed OK. Is there a team or league setting I can change. I try to be careful in usage and warming up.

robert2 · 08-16-2016, 03:39 AM

Somewhere in the league settings, make sure pitcher stamina isn't set to "Very Low." Not exactly sure where but the setting does exist. I have mine set on "Low" (2nd lowest of I believe 5 settings) and I find that to be the most realistic for modern day pitchers.

Questdog · 08-16-2016, 05:03 AM

Relievers do not have to be 100% rested to pitch. Unless their tank is close to empty, they are good to go.

NoOne · 08-16-2016, 12:21 PM

when fatigue goes from green to gold, it's time to avoid using them. they are okay to use in jam. i would wager each color change signifies a 'noticeable' point in how they coded effects of pitching tired.

Questdog · 08-16-2016, 02:05 PM

Gold is fine to be used. Not until orange ("tired") is there any effect upon a pitcher.

Padreman · 08-16-2016, 03:40 PM

Questsdog speaks truth

Rain King · 08-16-2016, 04:10 PM

Yea, essentially I treat "Gold" as "if you use him today you probably can't/shouldn't use him tomorrow".

Mat · 08-16-2016, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

Yea, essentially I treat "Gold" as "if you use him today you probably can't/shouldn't use him tomorrow".

this

BBGiovanni · 08-18-2016, 01:58 AM

I tend to view my relief corps as two squads of 3, plus a mop-up/spot starter. Then I switch off between the two squads each day, so they're fresh(er). If the game is lopsided I give the mucker as many innings as he can take before I move into the other squads. I guess in OOTP terms I have the closer with two middle relievers and the setup guy as the B squad closer with two other relievers. Seems to go ok. By which I mean it never goes according to plan

NoOne · 08-18-2016, 06:34 PM

usually need a couple strategies based on context: tired pen, average pen, underworked pen. all geared toward getting back to 'normal' or to slightly underworked, imo.

say what you will on the gold RP, there's still a minor reduction in ability... we both agree it gets dangerous at orange. quality of the RP matters too - which is why i don't look at it as a binary situation. a slight reduction from average isn't good.. but a slight reduction for a setup guy with gold fatigue, no problem but only if necessary.

PSUColonel · 08-18-2016, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

Yea, essentially I treat "Gold" as "if you use him today you probably can't/shouldn't use him tomorrow".

Plus he'll tire sooner than if he were fully restrd

Klaus 74 · 08-19-2016, 02:48 AM

As robert2 says, League Settings > Stats & AI. That setting will allow for a faster fatigue recovery.

oriolesmeep · 08-19-2016, 05:32 PM

Another way to reduce this (at least for your team) is to employ the Buck Showalter strategy of having multiple inning appearances from your relievers, and staggering them across 3 day stretches. The innings still get eaten, and you should almost always have a rested reliever.

This probably wouldn't work as well in the NL or a non-DH league (unless you really love your double switches or let relievers hit), but I've modeled it in OOTP with some success. Only problem is that you have to have a very deep bullpen, ideally with high stamina.

Number4 · 08-20-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by oriolesmeep

Another way to reduce this (at least for your team) is to employ the Buck Showalter strategy of having multiple inning appearances from your relievers, and staggering them across 3 day stretches. The innings still get eaten, and you should almost always have a rested reliever.

This probably wouldn't work as well in the NL or a non-DH league (unless you really love your double switches or let relievers hit), but I've modeled it in OOTP with some success. Only problem is that you have to have a very deep bullpen, ideally with high stamina.

No. If that bullpen strategy works only if you have a very deep bullpen with high stamina, that is not because of the strategy, that is because of your good bullpen.
A standard 7-man bullpen even with low stamina is enough for me, as well as most major league teams. If you start using pitchers for several innings, you cannot use platoon advantages as good as with a more flexible approach, If your multi-inning pitcher is a lefty then you have to use him, even if from the next 6 batters only one bats left. That might end up tiring your pitcher more as he will perform worse, giving up runs as well.

08-16-2016, 02:43 AM	#1
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,697	Tired Relief pitchers After about a week most of the relief pitchers in my organization are tired. I even had to recall someone from waivers, who didn't pitch for 3 days ans he is tired. I was looking at stamina and that seemed OK. Is there a team or league setting I can change. I try to be careful in usage and warming up.

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Klaus 74 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 81	As robert2 says, League Settings > Stats & AI. That setting will allow for a faster fatigue recovery. Last edited by Klaus 74; 08-19-2016 at 02:56 AM.

08-16-2016, 03:39 AM	#2
robert2 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 48	Somewhere in the league settings, make sure pitcher stamina isn't set to "Very Low." Not exactly sure where but the setting does exist. I have mine set on "Low" (2nd lowest of I believe 5 settings) and I find that to be the most realistic for modern day pitchers.

08-16-2016, 05:03 AM	#3
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Relievers do not have to be 100% rested to pitch. Unless their tank is close to empty, they are good to go.

08-16-2016, 12:21 PM	#4
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	when fatigue goes from green to gold, it's time to avoid using them. they are okay to use in jam. i would wager each color change signifies a 'noticeable' point in how they coded effects of pitching tired.

08-16-2016, 02:05 PM	#5
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Gold is fine to be used. Not until orange ("tired") is there any effect upon a pitcher.

08-16-2016, 04:10 PM	#7
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,146	Yea, essentially I treat "Gold" as "if you use him today you probably can't/shouldn't use him tomorrow".

08-18-2016, 01:58 AM	#9
BBGiovanni All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Republic of California Posts: 1,910	I tend to view my relief corps as two squads of 3, plus a mop-up/spot starter. Then I switch off between the two squads each day, so they're fresh(er). If the game is lopsided I give the mucker as many innings as he can take before I move into the other squads. I guess in OOTP terms I have the closer with two middle relievers and the setup guy as the B squad closer with two other relievers. Seems to go ok. By which I mean it never goes according to plan

08-18-2016, 06:34 PM	#10
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	usually need a couple strategies based on context: tired pen, average pen, underworked pen. all geared toward getting back to 'normal' or to slightly underworked, imo. say what you will on the gold RP, there's still a minor reduction in ability... we both agree it gets dangerous at orange. quality of the RP matters too - which is why i don't look at it as a binary situation. a slight reduction from average isn't good.. but a slight reduction for a setup guy with gold fatigue, no problem but only if necessary.

08-19-2016, 05:32 PM	#13
oriolesmeep Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 103	Another way to reduce this (at least for your team) is to employ the Buck Showalter strategy of having multiple inning appearances from your relievers, and staggering them across 3 day stretches. The innings still get eaten, and you should almost always have a rested reliever. This probably wouldn't work as well in the NL or a non-DH league (unless you really love your double switches or let relievers hit), but I've modeled it in OOTP with some success. Only problem is that you have to have a very deep bullpen, ideally with high stamina.