Young Players fail to improve

Sjadow · 08-14-2003, 04:02 PM

I have several young pitchers that have "text ratings" of 'brillliant' but numeric ratings of 2-3-4, etc.

I expected these young pitchers to improve over a few seasons, but they dont. They just sit there with there 2-3-4's.

I have seen establised pitchers in the majors improve --- but not in the minors. -- My minors coach has good pitcher development skills.

The same happens for young hittters.

Whats the deal??? Has anyone else seen highly touted young players grow from 2-3's to 7-8's when they have high 'text' ratings. If so, what did you do to encourage such improvement?

Thanks....

Shorty · 08-14-2003, 04:03 PM

How old are these players?

Sjadow · 08-14-2003, 04:09 PM

They start out between the ages of 19 and 23 .... thus they are now 22-26 and no sign of improvement.

A.J. Holz · 08-14-2003, 04:20 PM

Sounds normal - some players that are highly touted prospects will pan out, others won't.

Brilliant in anything doesn't guarantee the player will get any better numerically.

Sjadow · 08-14-2003, 04:29 PM

Some not improving makes sense ... but none of maybe 8 ??

I ask again -- has anyone ever seen a "highly touted young player with low skill numbers, playing in the minors" actually make significant improvement???

Gastric ReFlux · 08-14-2003, 04:31 PM

yes

ClassicMLB · 08-14-2003, 04:40 PM

If they are not gaining in the Minors try moving a couple of them to the majors. In my experience I find that players make ratings gains in the majors much better than in the minors as long as they have decent ratings to start with such as 4-6 etc.

If one thing isn't working then try something else!

Steve Kuffrey · 08-14-2003, 04:44 PM

Also, how are your coaches(if using them) as they can play a role. I have seen a number of cases where players won't improve for a few years then suddenly do, but their minor league stats are generally decent they just don't have "the ratings".

HolyCow98 · 08-14-2003, 04:57 PM

Yes I see them improve in the minors...

I see guys who the minute they get in my system they are getting better every couple of months...going up a level per season..

I've seen other guys take 3 or 4 years to show any significant improvement...and then they start developing fairly rapidly...

And I've seen where guys...don't develop much...then get to around 26 and then start to get their act together...

And you will see some guys never develop....

Steve Kuffrey · 08-14-2003, 05:06 PM

Overall, with the exception of "possibly" having a quite young player 19-20 or so developing (which may be a player creation issue) I feel that this part of the does a pretty good job. Something may also be said for a "slightly" quicker development overall, though not much.

ClassicMLB · 08-14-2003, 06:13 PM

I enjoy the development aspect of OOTP. Of course things can always be enhanced but as it is I do enjoy it. Some guys develop fast, some never develop, some improve greatly in the minors, and others need to be in the majors.

There is no sure thing!

Jonzard · 08-14-2003, 06:47 PM

someone should do some sort of study to find out how often prospects pan out, that would be cool to see

Steve Kuffrey · 08-14-2003, 07:10 PM

It has been done in various forms and in various ways already, I have no links maybe try a search.

08-14-2003, 04:02 PM	#1
Sjadow Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 131	Young Players fail to improve I have several young pitchers that have "text ratings" of 'brillliant' but numeric ratings of 2-3-4, etc. I expected these young pitchers to improve over a few seasons, but they dont. They just sit there with there 2-3-4's. I have seen establised pitchers in the majors improve --- but not in the minors. -- My minors coach has good pitcher development skills. The same happens for young hittters. Whats the deal??? Has anyone else seen highly touted young players grow from 2-3's to 7-8's when they have high 'text' ratings. If so, what did you do to encourage such improvement? Thanks....

08-14-2003, 04:03 PM	#2
Shorty All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 992	How old are these players? __________________ Here we go Redlegs here we go!

08-14-2003, 04:20 PM	#4
A.J. Holz All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 650	Sounds normal - some players that are highly touted prospects will pan out, others won't. Brilliant in anything doesn't guarantee the player will get any better numerically. __________________ NABA - Tijuana Toros / Commish ORB - Oakland Athletics (former owner) MBBA - Seattle Storm JOBL - Grand Forks Varmints (former owner) FIBB - Chicago Fire TMBU - Tulsa Tomcats (former owner) ACL - Oakland A's (former owner) ACB - Rockville Superbas

08-14-2003, 04:44 PM	#8
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Also, how are your coaches(if using them) as they can play a role. I have seen a number of cases where players won't improve for a few years then suddenly do, but their minor league stats are generally decent they just don't have "the ratings". __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

08-14-2003, 04:57 PM	#9
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	Yes I see them improve in the minors... I see guys who the minute they get in my system they are getting better every couple of months...going up a level per season.. I've seen other guys take 3 or 4 years to show any significant improvement...and then they start developing fairly rapidly... And I've seen where guys...don't develop much...then get to around 26 and then start to get their act together... And you will see some guys never develop.... __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

08-14-2003, 04:09 PM	#3
Sjadow Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 131	They start out between the ages of 19 and 23 .... thus they are now 22-26 and no sign of improvement.

08-14-2003, 04:29 PM	#5
Sjadow Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 131	Some not improving makes sense ... but none of maybe 8 ?? I ask again -- has anyone ever seen a "highly touted young player with low skill numbers, playing in the minors" actually make significant improvement???

08-14-2003, 04:31 PM	#6
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	yes

08-14-2003, 04:40 PM	#7
ClassicMLB Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 137	If they are not gaining in the Minors try moving a couple of them to the majors. In my experience I find that players make ratings gains in the majors much better than in the minors as long as they have decent ratings to start with such as 4-6 etc. If one thing isn't working then try something else!

08-14-2003, 05:06 PM	#10
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Overall, with the exception of "possibly" having a quite young player 19-20 or so developing (which may be a player creation issue) I feel that this part of the does a pretty good job. Something may also be said for a "slightly" quicker development overall, though not much. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

08-14-2003, 06:13 PM	#11
ClassicMLB Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 137	I enjoy the development aspect of OOTP. Of course things can always be enhanced but as it is I do enjoy it. Some guys develop fast, some never develop, some improve greatly in the minors, and others need to be in the majors. There is no sure thing!

08-14-2003, 06:47 PM	#12
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	someone should do some sort of study to find out how often prospects pan out, that would be cool to see __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

08-14-2003, 07:10 PM	#13
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	It has been done in various forms and in various ways already, I have no links maybe try a search. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95