2-pitch pitchers, but high stamina

[ThePretender]

If you're throwing a pitch 6% of the time, then it wouldn't even show up as a red pitch in OOTP lol. For all intents and purposes, Burnett was a 2 pitch guy.

[TuckerDuckson]

Originally Posted by ThePretender

If you're throwing a pitch 6% of the time, then it wouldn't even show up as a red pitch in OOTP lol. For all intents and purposes, Burnett was a 2 pitch guy.

I'm pretty sure he threw a knuckle curve, a sinker, a fastball and a change up to lefties...

Some 2 pitch pitchers that come to mind is Rich Hill, and I think Bob Feller only threw a FB and a slow curve I might be wrong.

[ihatenames]

Originally Posted by ThePretender

If you're throwing a pitch 6% of the time, then it wouldn't even show up as a red pitch in OOTP lol. For all intents and purposes, Burnett was a 2 pitch guy.

Burnett actually threw two fastballs. A 4-seamer and sinker. He also had a curve and change up. This would register has 4 pitches on Ootp.

Early in his career he relied more on the 4 seamer but later he threw a lot more of the sinker as he lost velocity. He also threw a lot more change ups in the second half of his career.


To the O.P. You can sometimes get good results with a two pitch starter but I would set him with a quick hook. You can experiment with it but in general starters with 3 plus pitches will perform better.

[oriolesmeep]

I used a 2-pitch starter for a while in Coors, but his pitches were an 80 rated fastball and a 75 rated splitter. He had a 4.50 ERA, Coors inflated, before I traded him away.

[RonCo]

Originally Posted by ThePretender

If you're throwing a pitch 6% of the time, then it wouldn't even show up as a red pitch in OOTP lol. For all intents and purposes, Burnett was a 2 pitch guy.

Realize that 5% is 1 in 20. A starting pitcher throws 10-15 pitches an inning, so if he throws a pitch 6% of the time, he would throw it about every 1-2 innings. That really ought to show up as a pitch.

If a guy throws a pitch once a game (1%?) then I guess I'm inclined to say he doesn't have the pitch. Even then it's an interesting question.

[Jobermallow]

In my fictional league, the Tonganoxie Yeti snagged a 28-year old Japanese pitcher who turned out to become (and still is, as he is, again, a free agent at age 40) one of the great pitchers in Kansas-Oregon Baseball Association history. We play only 124 games in a season, but he was frequently able to go long into games and set Kansas League records for innings pitched year after year while also racking up impressive strikeout totals. (KL also had the DH rule during his tenure, for those who care)

I passed on this guy when he showed up in the 2044 Free Agency class bc I already had a good bullpen at that point. Tonganoxie didn't, turned him into a starter, and reaped the benefits- but never won a title with him in the staff.

[Number4]

Ouch. He's a knuckleballer - so he's a starter even with 2 or if his knuckler were the only pitch. Don't need to worry about throwing sliders, sinkers and curveballs if the knuckleball can do all those things on it's own.

[Rain King]

Yea, Knuckleballers have their own rules.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Westheim

Scott Wade does not care for your worries. Scott Wade throws his slider all day to greatest effect.

Disclaimer: entire career spent in OOTP12. I haven't seen one like that in newer versions.

I think this changed in OOTP13. When FOBL was using 11 a few owners (including myself) employed 2-pitch guys as SP to very good effect, but they weren't reliable in 13. I think there's a bit of a double-hit to stuff -- the one you see graphically when toggling between SP and RP, and more of a hidden one that occurs when a guy like that tries to actually start. The reason I think this is the case is that you might have a guy with 12 stuff (base-10) as a RP go down to 9 when his position is a starter, but his K/9 will be well below what you'd expect from that rating. Take this guy:

Player Report for #20 Raul 'Stinger' Jimenez

2047, notably. Stuff rating of 10, only fanned 115 in 252IP.

There *may* be an exception to this though. If a 2-pitch guy is explicitly designated as a Starter/Borderline Starter, I think he may not have that little extra penalty. In those cases I'd try the guy out as a starter. As soon as his suggested role changed to Bullpen though I'd cease the experiment.

[frangipard]

Originally Posted by ihatenames

Burnett actually threw two fastballs. A 4-seamer and sinker. He also had a curve and change up. This would register has 4 pitches on Ootp.

This. 2 and 4 seam fastballs are separate IRL and in OOTP.


One of my favorite OOTP players - from 14 IIRC - was a very similar Korean reliever. I used him for 90+ innings per year, as a stopper/8th inning closer, usually getting about 10 wins and 25 saves. Basically if the game was close after 7, he went in.

[Westheim]

Here's a guy I think would (almost) be a good candidate to try it with. He has devilish stuff for sure. On making him a starter, the stuff drops to 17/18, but his rating becomes .5/4 stars. The stamina is well sufficient.

However, his command is SO BAD even as a reliever that I wouldn't even dare to try it. He has enough issues already, usually the two batters he just walked and the slugger eagerly wiggling the stick at the plate.

As far as I can tell, the AI never even bothers with them as starters past single-A, although they will happily draft 2-pitch guys with a crippled 1/3 changeup in the first round.