Line-ups changing?

connerman2 · 06-23-2016, 01:40 PM

Has anyone else had this happen?

I have complete control of my team and all line-ups. Manager settings are all with me. Yet every time I go to play a game, my starting line-up is completely different than what I've set and saved. I can't figure out where the computer is getting the okay to change the line-up.

robert2 · 06-23-2016, 01:42 PM

If you have players less than 100% rested the AI will sub them out automatically.

Padreman · 06-23-2016, 02:27 PM

Also make sure you don't have a controlling personality manager he will do his own thing regardless

RchW · 06-23-2016, 02:35 PM

Using 7-day lineups with no subs chosen is the only way AFAIK to guarantee the lineup of your choice when simming.

gabeeg · 06-23-2016, 08:49 PM

...and check your depth charts, some positions may be set to sub every so many days.

MrBojangles · 06-24-2016, 12:38 AM

So, complete control except for the several exceptions described above.... somehow that doesn't seem like complete control.

BIG17EASY · 06-24-2016, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBojangles

So, complete control except for the several exceptions described above.... somehow that doesn't seem like complete control.

No, you do have control. You just have to look at the depth chart to see how often the backups are set to play. You can change it so the backups play when you want them to - in other words, every so many days or only when the starter is tired. It gives you full control.

BusterKing · 06-24-2016, 10:31 AM

To have complete control make sure you are in the Commissioner Mode, select "Team Home Screen", then select "Settings", beside Roster AI place a check mark in the box "Prevent any AI roster changes". You can then exit Commissioner mode.

You will need to change your lineups yourself when players get tired.

NoOne · 06-24-2016, 02:46 PM

fyi a player gets to 0% stamina (100% fatigue however you want to look at it), he won't play tht day - as of '16. i thought? some years blend together, but i though i saw a catcher go to bench even when i used the "prvent ai" option in team settings.

i've since switched to the GM-only legacy mode in global settings as opposed to using the "prevent ai from making roster changes" in team settings. it allows me to delegate minor league stuff that i don't want to deal with and maintain full control over the major league team.

the "prvent ai from..." option will not allow you to delegate anything. a hugely functional change... thank you very much. it's made controlling what i want to control and delegating what i don't very easy to do.

RchW · 06-24-2016, 03:09 PM

Preventing roster changes doesn't prevent lineup changes AFAIK. These are two different parts of the game.

BIG17EASY · 06-24-2016, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Preventing roster changes doesn't prevent lineup changes AFAIK. These are two different parts of the game.

That's my belief, as well. Roster changes means promotions/demotions/DL assignments. Lineups are not roster changes.

RchW · 06-24-2016, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBojangles

So, complete control except for the several exceptions described above.... somehow that doesn't seem like complete control.

By definition, you give up control the minute you fail to play out every ab of every game with your choice of lineup, SP and relief pitchers. When you sim the AI must be able to respond to multiple inputs, even when you have restricted it. Perfect example is "force start". The AI will force start a player until he's exhausted and beyond. If he gets injured the AI will replace him and may change the batting order and lineup despite human settings. Same with SP, rotations and MR use. If the AI could not make these changes the game would crash continuously.

Bottom line is that once a human player stops playing the AI has control, subject to some overrides such as "force start", "bench player", perhaps others.

See below for an example of the original complaint in this thread. On the left is the set lineup which I normally copy to 7-day lineups. However when I don't copy this lineup the AI makes a substitution and a batting order change because it can. The only way to stop this is to use 7-day lineups.

NoOne · 06-24-2016, 11:25 PM

The "Prevent AI from roster changes" in team settings definitely stops all AI on your team as of '16 - including all the stuff i listed above. i can only assume it's the same in '17. you guys can test it yourself. there's no reason to guess at it. i've used it before.

i now use the "legacy" setting in global settings in '17. this allows you to delegate various things as well as maintain control over the lineup and bullpen.

Both allow you to control the lineup and everyday stuff regardless of a controlling manager -- as of '16. one allows you to delegate one does not.

RchW · 06-24-2016, 11:30 PM

Show me an example of what you say.

06-23-2016, 01:40 PM	#1
connerman2 Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 17	Line-ups changing? Has anyone else had this happen? I have complete control of my team and all line-ups. Manager settings are all with me. Yet every time I go to play a game, my starting line-up is completely different than what I've set and saved. I can't figure out where the computer is getting the okay to change the line-up.

06-23-2016, 02:27 PM	#3
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RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Using 7-day lineups with no subs chosen is the only way AFAIK to guarantee the lineup of your choice when simming. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

06-24-2016, 02:46 PM	#9
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	fyi a player gets to 0% stamina (100% fatigue however you want to look at it), he won't play tht day - as of '16. i thought? some years blend together, but i though i saw a catcher go to bench even when i used the "prvent ai" option in team settings. i've since switched to the GM-only legacy mode in global settings as opposed to using the "prevent ai from making roster changes" in team settings. it allows me to delegate minor league stuff that i don't want to deal with and maintain full control over the major league team. the "prvent ai from..." option will not allow you to delegate anything. a hugely functional change... thank you very much. it's made controlling what i want to control and delegating what i don't very easy to do. Last edited by NoOne; 06-24-2016 at 02:48 PM.

06-24-2016, 03:09 PM	#10
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Preventing roster changes doesn't prevent lineup changes AFAIK. These are two different parts of the game. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

06-23-2016, 01:42 PM	#2
robert2 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 48	If you have players less than 100% rested the AI will sub them out automatically.

06-23-2016, 08:49 PM	#5
gabeeg Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 50	...and check your depth charts, some positions may be set to sub every so many days.

06-24-2016, 12:38 AM	#6
MrBojangles All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: low and inside Posts: 568	So, complete control except for the several exceptions described above.... somehow that doesn't seem like complete control.

06-24-2016, 10:31 AM	#8
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,422	To have complete control make sure you are in the Commissioner Mode, select "Team Home Screen", then select "Settings", beside Roster AI place a check mark in the box "Prevent any AI roster changes". You can then exit Commissioner mode. You will need to change your lineups yourself when players get tired.

06-24-2016, 11:25 PM	#13
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	The "Prevent AI from roster changes" in team settings definitely stops all AI on your team as of '16 - including all the stuff i listed above. i can only assume it's the same in '17. you guys can test it yourself. there's no reason to guess at it. i've used it before. i now use the "legacy" setting in global settings in '17. this allows you to delegate various things as well as maintain control over the lineup and bullpen. Both allow you to control the lineup and everyday stuff regardless of a controlling manager -- as of '16. one allows you to delegate one does not.

06-24-2016, 11:30 PM	#14
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Show me an example of what you say. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit