Request for help from a willing Steam user

David Watts · 06-03-2016, 08:33 AM

First off, this request is me grasping at the the thinnest of straws, but I'm frustrated that I can't seem to find a solution or the cause of my problem.

I'm currently having trouble with historical play using real minors. The issue I'm having is, when I create a historical league using real minors starting in 1919 and move forward, the Pacific Coast league will form in 1921 just like it's supposed to, but it will do so without any players. The only team in the Pacific Coast league that will have players is the Los Angeles Angels(Cubs affiliate), all the other teams will be empty. These teams for the most part remain empty throughout the 21 season, the 22 season and on into 23 when some teams will start adding a few players here and there. This is with the draft off, so players are supposed to start with their original teams.

Spritze has set up the very same setup and he isn't experiencing the same problem. Therefore, he understandingly has suggested that my game may have become messed up in some way. That makes sense, but all I've done is download the patches and play. So, I'm scratching my head as to how my game could be corrupt.

Grasping at straws, I'm wondering if this could be a issue with Steam. That would be the main difference between my game and Spritze's, so maybe and it's a small maybe, it could be why I'm seeing what I see and he is seeing what he sees. '

My request to any Steam user out there willing to do so: Please set up a historical league with real minors using 1919 as your starting year. Turn off the draft. Turning off the draft is important, because it assures players go to their original teams. Then fast sim 1919, 1920 and to the preseason of 1921. When you start in 1919 you should have the MLB and the Texas League. When you reach 1921, the Pacific Coast League will be formed. Please check the rosters of the Pacific Coast teams and let me know if the teams are populated with players, or if the Los Angeles Angels are the only team with players.

Any help here will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

David Watts · 06-03-2016, 11:01 AM

anyone?

grmagne · 06-03-2016, 11:55 AM

I don't use Steam, but I had a similar type of problem using Historical minors. The first season everything seemed to be working OK and all MLB teams had proper minor league affiliates. However, the following season when the minor league affiliates changed and minor league franchises moved around (historically accurate), my new affiliates had no players and I lost all my prospects that were on those teams. Only the affiliates that remained the same still had players. I stopped playing at that point. I'm not sure if that's related to the types of problems you're having, but they could be related.

David Watts · 06-03-2016, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by grmagne

I don't use Steam, but I had a similar type of problem using Historical minors. The first season everything seemed to be working OK and all MLB teams had proper minor league affiliates. However, the following season when the minor league affiliates changed and minor league franchises moved around (historically accurate), my new affiliates had no players and I lost all my prospects that were on those teams. Only the affiliates that remained the same still had players. I stopped playing at that point. I'm not sure if that's related to the types of problems you're having, but they could be related.

With mine, the Pacific Coast league is just dormant. The affiliated team the Angels has players, but all the other teams are empty. The Texas League teams are full to the brim. Very frustrating.

Lukas Berger · 06-03-2016, 12:17 PM

I don't know what the issue is, but from your previous thread it seems like this is a genuine bug, not a db thing.

Thus the next question is, have you uploaded your league files for Markus or Matt to take a look at?

That's probably the next step that's needed to get this sorted.

David Watts · 06-03-2016, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

I don't know what the issue is, but from your previous thread it seems like this is a genuine bug, not a db thing.

Thus the next question is, have you uploaded your league files for Markus or Matt to take a look at?

That's probably the next step that's needed to get this sorted.

I would need a detailed instruction list on how to do that. I'm not the most computer savvy guy, so I hope I can do it.

Before I do that though, one thing I might try(if no other Steam user comes forward to give it try) is to install the game on my laptop. If I do so using Steam and the same problem exists, then it's a Steam issue. If it works the way it should it's a ME issue.

swampdragon · 06-03-2016, 12:57 PM

Where are the PCL players hiding? How many free agents do you have? How many players retired in 1919 and 1920? The major league teams are still going to have reserve rosters. How big are they? How many players are in the Texas League?

I'm wondering whether there are enough players hiding out in these other spots to populate the PCL. I suspect there are. Once we figure out where the players are hiding, then we'll have some idea of what the game is doing to leave the PCL empty.

David Watts · 06-03-2016, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

Where are the PCL players hiding? How many free agents do you have? How many players retired in 1919 and 1920? The major league teams are still going to have reserve rosters. How big are they? How many players are in the Texas League?

I'm wondering whether there are enough players hiding out in these other spots to populate the PCL. I suspect there are. Once we figure out where the players are hiding, then we'll have some idea of what the game is doing to leave the PCL empty.

Oh there are enough players to populate them. The affiliated Texas League teams will have as many as 47 players at a time. Problem is, the PCL teams don't sign players. Nor does my game behave like it should when the draft is turned off. If it did, the PCL would be populated from its inception. I tried turning the draft on. Still no go. The situation improves a little, but there will still be entire teams without players.

swampdragon · 06-03-2016, 03:17 PM

But it didn't help when you limited the Texas League rosters? That probably, but not necessarily, means that the independent PCL teams aren't signing free agents. But I don't know why at least the players who were rookies in 1921 wouldn't have been placed on their correct teams. What are your league settings? Do you have plenty of free agents that could be signed if those teams wanted to? The Cubs GM controls the Angels, which is why they're OK.

There is a box to check on League Settings that reads something like. "Put AI in control of all the teams." Go to the PCL when it is created and check that box. Then run a few days and see what happens.

I don't have Steam, but if that doesn't work, I'll try to take some time this weekend to look at this and see if the same thing happens.

David Watts · 06-03-2016, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

But it didn't help when you limited the Texas League rosters? That probably, but not necessarily, means that the independent PCL teams aren't signing free agents. But I don't know why at least the players who were rookies in 1921 wouldn't have been placed on their correct teams. What are your league settings? Do you have plenty of free agents that could be signed if those teams wanted to? The Cubs GM controls the Angels, which is why they're OK.

There is a box to check on League Settings that reads something like. "Put AI in control of all the teams." Go to the PCL when it is created and check that box. Then run a few days and see what happens.

I don't have Steam, but if that doesn't work, I'll try to take some time this weekend to look at this and see if the same thing happens.

I think I've tried just about everything, but I will give your suggestion on putting AI in control of all teams a shot. Thing is, the main thing you are supposed to do is "turn off the draft" I do this, and the only team that has players is the affiliated Angels. Spritze does this and his PCL has 200+ players. Even when I've tried leaving the draft on, it takes till 1923 before the PCL resembles a league and even then some of the teams only have a couple players.

swampdragon · 06-03-2016, 04:13 PM

Give it a shot. Putting it in control of all teams in 1919 probably won't work. You need to specifically do it on the PCL League Settings screen after that league is created.

David Watts · 06-03-2016, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

Give it a shot. Putting it in control of all teams in 1919 probably won't work. You need to specifically do it on the PCL League Settings screen after that league is created.

Thanks, will do. If that doesn't work, I think I will fire up the laptop and install the game there. That will at least let me now if my PC version is corrupt. Need to do so anyway. Have to spend a week in Beaumont in July and need something to keep me sane. Figured, I would do a lot of historical exhibitions that week.

David Watts · 06-03-2016, 11:28 PM

So tonight I get home from work and install OOTP (Steam install) on my laptop. Once the game is installed, I fire up a 1919 historical league with real minors. I turn off the draft. In 1919 I have the MLB and the Texas League. I sim 1919, 1920 and on to the 1921 preseason. The PCL is now in existence. Problem is, only the Los Angeles Angels, the only affiliated Pacific Coast team, has any players. Every other teams roster is empty. I sim the 1921 season and proceed to the 1922 preseason. Every PCL team except the Angels has a completely empty roster. Sim 1922 and move to the 1923 preseason. Once again, only the Angels have players. Sim 1923 and on to the 1924 preseason. Angels field a team wih players. Every other team in the PCL goes with empty rosters.

Since Spritze says his game works fine and I assume he doesn't use Steam. I'm guessing this has to be a Steam issue.

Help.

06-03-2016, 08:33 AM	#1
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,171 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Request for help from a willing Steam user First off, this request is me grasping at the the thinnest of straws, but I'm frustrated that I can't seem to find a solution or the cause of my problem. I'm currently having trouble with historical play using real minors. The issue I'm having is, when I create a historical league using real minors starting in 1919 and move forward, the Pacific Coast league will form in 1921 just like it's supposed to, but it will do so without any players. The only team in the Pacific Coast league that will have players is the Los Angeles Angels(Cubs affiliate), all the other teams will be empty. These teams for the most part remain empty throughout the 21 season, the 22 season and on into 23 when some teams will start adding a few players here and there. This is with the draft off, so players are supposed to start with their original teams. Spritze has set up the very same setup and he isn't experiencing the same problem. Therefore, he understandingly has suggested that my game may have become messed up in some way. That makes sense, but all I've done is download the patches and play. So, I'm scratching my head as to how my game could be corrupt. Grasping at straws, I'm wondering if this could be a issue with Steam. That would be the main difference between my game and Spritze's, so maybe and it's a small maybe, it could be why I'm seeing what I see and he is seeing what he sees. ' My request to any Steam user out there willing to do so: Please set up a historical league with real minors using 1919 as your starting year. Turn off the draft. Turning off the draft is important, because it assures players go to their original teams. Then fast sim 1919, 1920 and to the preseason of 1921. When you start in 1919 you should have the MLB and the Texas League. When you reach 1921, the Pacific Coast League will be formed. Please check the rosters of the Pacific Coast teams and let me know if the teams are populated with players, or if the Los Angeles Angels are the only team with players. Any help here will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Last edited by David Watts; 06-03-2016 at 08:35 AM.

06-03-2016, 11:55 AM	#3
grmagne Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Toronto Posts: 272	I don't use Steam, but I had a similar type of problem using Historical minors. The first season everything seemed to be working OK and all MLB teams had proper minor league affiliates. However, the following season when the minor league affiliates changed and minor league franchises moved around (historically accurate), my new affiliates had no players and I lost all my prospects that were on those teams. Only the affiliates that remained the same still had players. I stopped playing at that point. I'm not sure if that's related to the types of problems you're having, but they could be related. Last edited by grmagne; 06-03-2016 at 11:57 AM.

06-03-2016, 12:57 PM	#7
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,506	Where are the PCL players hiding? How many free agents do you have? How many players retired in 1919 and 1920? The major league teams are still going to have reserve rosters. How big are they? How many players are in the Texas League? I'm wondering whether there are enough players hiding out in these other spots to populate the PCL. I suspect there are. Once we figure out where the players are hiding, then we'll have some idea of what the game is doing to leave the PCL empty. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

06-03-2016, 03:17 PM	#9
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,506	But it didn't help when you limited the Texas League rosters? That probably, but not necessarily, means that the independent PCL teams aren't signing free agents. But I don't know why at least the players who were rookies in 1921 wouldn't have been placed on their correct teams. What are your league settings? Do you have plenty of free agents that could be signed if those teams wanted to? The Cubs GM controls the Angels, which is why they're OK. There is a box to check on League Settings that reads something like. "Put AI in control of all the teams." Go to the PCL when it is created and check that box. Then run a few days and see what happens. I don't have Steam, but if that doesn't work, I'll try to take some time this weekend to look at this and see if the same thing happens. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

06-03-2016, 04:13 PM	#11
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,506	Give it a shot. Putting it in control of all teams in 1919 probably won't work. You need to specifically do it on the PCL League Settings screen after that league is created. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

06-03-2016, 11:01 AM	#2
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,171 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	anyone?

06-03-2016, 12:17 PM	#5
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 22,248	I don't know what the issue is, but from your previous thread it seems like this is a genuine bug, not a db thing. Thus the next question is, have you uploaded your league files for Markus or Matt to take a look at? That's probably the next step that's needed to get this sorted.

06-03-2016, 11:28 PM	#13
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,171 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	So tonight I get home from work and install OOTP (Steam install) on my laptop. Once the game is installed, I fire up a 1919 historical league with real minors. I turn off the draft. In 1919 I have the MLB and the Texas League. I sim 1919, 1920 and on to the 1921 preseason. The PCL is now in existence. Problem is, only the Los Angeles Angels, the only affiliated Pacific Coast team, has any players. Every other teams roster is empty. I sim the 1921 season and proceed to the 1922 preseason. Every PCL team except the Angels has a completely empty roster. Sim 1922 and move to the 1923 preseason. Once again, only the Angels have players. Sim 1923 and on to the 1924 preseason. Angels field a team wih players. Every other team in the PCL goes with empty rosters. Since Spritze says his game works fine and I assume he doesn't use Steam. I'm guessing this has to be a Steam issue. Help.