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Six Simulations to Test LHP and RHH
This is a follow-up to a previous thread where I asked whether there are too few left-handed in the OOTP major leagues.There are similar things going on with right-handed batters and I’ll describe both in depth below. Previous thread:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/ootp-17-general-discussions/265826-vanishing-left-handed-pitchers.html My computer was hard at work this past week running six simulations. Each simulation used “New Standard Game” from the main menu with leagues running from 2016-2080. The 2035-2080 league data was then exported Microsoft Access and Excel. The only changes I made to the default settings were removing League Evolution plus these scenario-specific changes:
The purpose of scenarios 2 & 3 was to test whether the AI would promote LHP through the minors more frequently if (2) the RHP platoon advantages over LHP were minimized a bit or (3) if LHP and RHP would be promoted more equally with perfect knowledge of their true abilities. The purpose of the various scenarios #4 was to test whether accelerating/decelerating pitcher & batter development affects the overall numbers of LHP and RHH in the major leagues. SUMMARY: First of all, virtually all of the OOTP data that I analyzed very closely matches the real statistics. Out of the Park is truly amazing in this regard! I’ll post a summary of my findings below to reiterate a couple of issues that are a bit off from MLB, and then follow-up with numerous charts so that you can see for yourself.
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LH Starting Pitchers are disappearing from the minors in every simulation, and always underrepresent at the major league level, though different settings will have some effect on this.
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LH Relief Pitchers make it to the major leagues at a much better rate than LH Starters. But there’s still a slight underrepresentation at each age, as later charts will show.
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Right-handed batters seem to have even higher minor league attrition rates than LHP but they end up having roughly the correct percentage in the major leagues (compared to MLB).
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These charts show the average ages by the types of major league players. Since left-handers and right-handers seem to develop at different speeds in this game, I just wanted to take a high-level snapshot of all scenarios. These ages are all weighted by playing time: for pitchers it’s weighted by number of starts and number of relief appearances, while batters are weighted by at bats.
Left- and right-handers in real MLB seem to have similar career lengths and average ages but left-handed relievers have the longest careers and highest average age of any group. |
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Here are the percentages of major league left-handed starting pitchers by age, comparing real MLB versus simulation. As you can see, there are far fewer left-handed pitchers in OOTP than real MLB. However, most (but not all) simulations show an increasing number of LHP at older ages.
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Similar chart, this time for left-handed relievers. For reasons I'm not sure of, LHP are more likely to make it the majors in OOTP if they're a reliever rather than a starter. Or maybe LHP are more likely to be moved to the bullpen upon reaching the majors?
In both real MLB and OOTP, left-handed relievers have longer careers than right-handed relievers but the difference in average age is larger in real MLB. |
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Here are the percentages of at bats by left-, right-, and switch-hitters. An amazing thing in real MLB is that between 1970 and 2015 left-handed hitters are almost equal in numbers to right-hand hitter sat older ages. There’s less data at older ages, of course, so I have no idea if that trend will continue into the future or whether it’s just a fluky result.
In many of these simulations the percentage of OOTP right-hander batters goes up significantly at older ages. I wonder if there something in the code that causes them to age more slowly than left-handed batters? |
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These charts show the age and handedness distribution of all players in the OOTP simulations. Just in case you’re interested in how the initial settings affect age distributions.
This first chart is for starting pitchers. |
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Same type of charts, but this time for batters.
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Bat Boy
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You have a lot of time on your hands. That said, I am impressed with the thorough analysis!
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OOTP Developer
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Thanks! That's a lot to take in. We certainly try to get it as accurate as possible, but I'm sure it would take a ton of studying to figure out, for example, why there's relatively speaking more LH bats at older ages than RH bats. Is it based on the type of player? Platoon advantages? Manager preferences? Or are they actually developing/aging differently?
Certainly interesting case studies. |
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Thanks for the response. Don’t worry, I am consistently impressed at how closely OOTP matches MLB and I think the developers have all done an amazing job – and the game gets better every year! I wouldn’t have bothered doing all this analysis except for the fact that right-handed platoon hitters sit on the bench too much during a season and it would be nice (and more realistic) if there were more left-handed pitchers in the league. There isn’t a user option to increase the number of left-handed pitchers so instead I did a full analysis to share my observations with the developers in the hopes that someone can address it. Honestly, it seems to me that there is an extremely simple fix for this, and I can’t imagine any side effects to other parts of the game from increasing the number of draft-eligible LHP….except that right-hand platoon hitters would get to play more. Here are my suggestions and I really hope the solution is as simple as it looks:
Last edited by grmagne; 04-28-2016 at 01:13 PM. |
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