How important is league level?

baseballfanmas · 04-20-2016, 08:53 PM

I am starting a new league that is based on the Kansas Junior College baseball system, with 20 teams, I've talked a little bit about the setup in the dynasty reports section.

My question is, how important is choosing the league level? I'm trying to decide if I want it to be Major League Level, College Level, or Independent Level. I'm thinking of ruling out independent level, and since it is basically a college league, I think college level would be the best.

But what are the difference then between Major League Level and College Level? Thanks.

baseballfanmas · 04-21-2016, 11:56 AM

Can anybody help me out with this? I'd like to get my dynasty started sometime today but I'm still trying to figure out this league level situation

Matt Arnold · 04-21-2016, 12:32 PM

League levels matter most when you have multiple leagues in your world. If you only really have a single league, then it should matter less. I don't actually remember off-hand what would be the difference if you have it set up in one vs the other. In general, I would likely suggest setting it as a major league, as that's the more "normal" case (1 MLB-level league in your universe).

What you could always do is create the league, save it as a template (and back it up) using one or the other, quickly sim through a season or two and make sure teams are doing things how you expect them to, and then go back and try the other if they're not.

andrewv500 · 04-21-2016, 07:26 PM

When creating a new league there is no difference in the league level, and this, of course, is different than creating a major league and then choosing the option of adding a feeder league(s)

In creating a college level league on its own you would need to manually edit age limits and player creation ages and most likely finances and season length etc etc basically anything you find intrinsic to your college league

I would disagree with Matt a bit here in that setting it up as a major league will likely result in player histories wherein a player comes up through high school and college to then play in your college league. You may find that undesirable

Matt Arnold · 04-21-2016, 07:43 PM

I would suggest if you want a college level league to set up a high school (only) feeder system for it to populate from, so that everyone's histories will look reasonable.

endgame · 04-21-2016, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I would suggest if you want a college level league to set up a high school (only) feeder system for it to populate from, so that everyone's histories will look reasonable.

Interesting. If I already have existing College and High School feeders that feed my Major League, can I make my HS league feed the COL? As it is, does the HS feed to the COL database or to my COL league? I'm guessing it's the former.

baseballfanmas · 04-21-2016, 08:21 PM

So if I wanted to set up a college level league just like real life, where players only have 4 years of eligibility, I could do that? Not a bad thought really.

And with the feeder league, would the yearly draft come strictly from that? I've never used a feeder league before

Matt Arnold · 04-21-2016, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Interesting. If I already have existing College and High School feeders that feed my Major League, can I make my HS league feed the COL? As it is, does the HS feed to the COL database or to my COL league? I'm guessing it's the former.

Hmm, now I'm getting confused what's available. I'm pretty sure we don't allow feeders of feeders, so maybe what I said before was wrong

Especially when it comes to feeders, I'm definitely not an expert.

Maybe you should set it up as a major league (but you can always rename the level) with a HS feeder.

NoOne · 04-22-2016, 10:26 AM

other problems? just being a devil's advocate.

so, isn't development tied to league level? as in their ability will only grow to the extent that league's level allows? (e.g. an A-level league wont won't develop mlb-level ability - or at least not very likely to do so, or maybe just at a slower rate?)

i guess setting ratings to be displayed relative to the player's league would alleviate most of what i am thinking about.

Silent_Thunder · 04-22-2016, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Hmm, now I'm getting confused what's available. I'm pretty sure we don't allow feeders of feeders, so maybe what I said before was wrong

Especially when it comes to feeders, I'm definitely not an expert.

Maybe you should set it up as a major league (but you can always rename the level) with a HS feeder.

I don't think they directly feed, but if they're under the same umbrella major, a lot of the high school players who weren't drafted wind up in the college system.

baseballfanmas · 04-22-2016, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Silent_Thunder

I don't think they directly feed, but if they're under the same umbrella major, a lot of the high school players who weren't drafted wind up in the college system.

That's what it says in the game manual, if a high school player isn't drafted he just goes to the college feeder league.

If anybody is interested, I set my league up as a major league level with high school feeder league. I'm not treating my game as a true college league though, meaning players won't just play 4 years and be gone. It's basically a major league level setup, but I'm using real junior college names from my state, if that makes sense.

endgame · 04-22-2016, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Silent_Thunder

I don't think they directly feed, but if they're under the same umbrella major, a lot of the high school players who weren't drafted wind up in the college system.

My preference, which I don't think occurs, is that the HS players not go to a college in the database, but one of my COL league teams. I'd prefer it be limited to that selection. Minor thing, but like to see the trail of history within the leagues.

RaUni · 04-22-2016, 09:06 PM

You can create a league as HS then set it to feed a college league that is set to feed a major league. Just dont do the "add feeder option". Create the league and change fed league status. You just cant have early draftees that way(juniors leaving options, etc)

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Matt Arnold · 04-25-2016, 01:24 PM

Oh, another search for a bug uncovered something which probably affects this decision: undrafted college players simply get deleted from the game. So if you set your league up as a college league with no majors, then you won't really have any player history. Given that, then definitely set it up as a major league level if you would like to keep the history going.

andyhdz · 04-26-2016, 05:11 PM

I have a similar setup in that I don't want high school kids being drafted or in the minors so I have my major league setup to only draft college kids. I didn't roll-up a college feeder from my main league by doing the "add feeder option". What I did was create a separate league as college level. From the college league settings I set it up to feed to my major league.

The college league is setup to only allow 18-21 year olds and draft 18 year olds. I disabled finances for the league I made it so FAs couldn't come in and I'm allowing them to leave in case they don't get drafted by the major league but I haven't tested to see if that works. I also disabled trading. The draft is the closest thing to a recruiting season in OOTP. I guess if you wanted to get fancy you would setup the draft to allow the bigger schools to get preference on who they draft. The draft would also allow me to take over a college team and feel that I would have a fighting chance to improve the team instead of just depending on the players that magically get created if it was a rolled up feeder. Not being content with that setup I then decided that the 18 year olds being drafted should also have some history so I rolled up a high school feeder league by doing the "add feeder" from the college league settings. The high school feeder league is setup for 15-18 year olds.

So to summarize my setup is independent college league with a high school feeder. The college league then feeds to my major league draft. To further complicate things I created a second major league and copied the same setup all the way down and setup the major and college leagues as associations so they could have a championship series and shared draft. Oh and I have international leagues with high school feeders and an independent US league also to catch all the riff-raff that wash out. I have all my feeders play in the offseason to have year round baseball and help out with the sim times. Good times!

04-20-2016, 08:53 PM	#1
baseballfanmas All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 661	How important is league level? I am starting a new league that is based on the Kansas Junior College baseball system, with 20 teams, I've talked a little bit about the setup in the dynasty reports section. My question is, how important is choosing the league level? I'm trying to decide if I want it to be Major League Level, College Level, or Independent Level. I'm thinking of ruling out independent level, and since it is basically a college league, I think college level would be the best. But what are the difference then between Major League Level and College Level? Thanks.

04-26-2016, 05:11 PM	#15
andyhdz All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fresno, CA by way of Texas Posts: 1,754	I have a similar setup in that I don't want high school kids being drafted or in the minors so I have my major league setup to only draft college kids. I didn't roll-up a college feeder from my main league by doing the "add feeder option". What I did was create a separate league as college level. From the college league settings I set it up to feed to my major league. The college league is setup to only allow 18-21 year olds and draft 18 year olds. I disabled finances for the league I made it so FAs couldn't come in and I'm allowing them to leave in case they don't get drafted by the major league but I haven't tested to see if that works. I also disabled trading. The draft is the closest thing to a recruiting season in OOTP. I guess if you wanted to get fancy you would setup the draft to allow the bigger schools to get preference on who they draft. The draft would also allow me to take over a college team and feel that I would have a fighting chance to improve the team instead of just depending on the players that magically get created if it was a rolled up feeder. Not being content with that setup I then decided that the 18 year olds being drafted should also have some history so I rolled up a high school feeder league by doing the "add feeder" from the college league settings. The high school feeder league is setup for 15-18 year olds. So to summarize my setup is independent college league with a high school feeder. The college league then feeds to my major league draft. To further complicate things I created a second major league and copied the same setup all the way down and setup the major and college leagues as associations so they could have a championship series and shared draft. Oh and I have international leagues with high school feeders and an independent US league also to catch all the riff-raff that wash out. I have all my feeders play in the offseason to have year round baseball and help out with the sim times. Good times! Last edited by andyhdz; 04-26-2016 at 05:14 PM.

04-21-2016, 11:56 AM	#2
baseballfanmas All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 661	Can anybody help me out with this? I'd like to get my dynasty started sometime today but I'm still trying to figure out this league level situation

04-21-2016, 12:32 PM	#3
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,816	League levels matter most when you have multiple leagues in your world. If you only really have a single league, then it should matter less. I don't actually remember off-hand what would be the difference if you have it set up in one vs the other. In general, I would likely suggest setting it as a major league, as that's the more "normal" case (1 MLB-level league in your universe). What you could always do is create the league, save it as a template (and back it up) using one or the other, quickly sim through a season or two and make sure teams are doing things how you expect them to, and then go back and try the other if they're not.

04-21-2016, 07:26 PM	#4
andrewv500 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 33	When creating a new league there is no difference in the league level, and this, of course, is different than creating a major league and then choosing the option of adding a feeder league(s) In creating a college level league on its own you would need to manually edit age limits and player creation ages and most likely finances and season length etc etc basically anything you find intrinsic to your college league I would disagree with Matt a bit here in that setting it up as a major league will likely result in player histories wherein a player comes up through high school and college to then play in your college league. You may find that undesirable

04-21-2016, 07:43 PM	#5
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,816	I would suggest if you want a college level league to set up a high school (only) feeder system for it to populate from, so that everyone's histories will look reasonable.

04-21-2016, 08:21 PM	#7
baseballfanmas All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 661	So if I wanted to set up a college level league just like real life, where players only have 4 years of eligibility, I could do that? Not a bad thought really. And with the feeder league, would the yearly draft come strictly from that? I've never used a feeder league before

04-22-2016, 10:26 AM	#9
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	other problems? just being a devil's advocate. so, isn't development tied to league level? as in their ability will only grow to the extent that league's level allows? (e.g. an A-level league wont won't develop mlb-level ability - or at least not very likely to do so, or maybe just at a slower rate?) i guess setting ratings to be displayed relative to the player's league would alleviate most of what i am thinking about.

04-22-2016, 09:06 PM	#13
RaUni Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 234	You can create a league as HS then set it to feed a college league that is set to feed a major league. Just dont do the "add feeder option". Create the league and change fed league status. You just cant have early draftees that way(juniors leaving options, etc) Sent from my LG-LS980 using Tapatalk

04-25-2016, 01:24 PM	#14
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,816	Oh, another search for a bug uncovered something which probably affects this decision: undrafted college players simply get deleted from the game. So if you set your league up as a college league with no majors, then you won't really have any player history. Given that, then definitely set it up as a major league level if you would like to keep the history going.