Historical MLB/Minors roster and db issues go here - Page 9

Habsfan18 · 03-28-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

I let Markus know that drafting does not work in the latest build. Not a data issue.

Spritze,

Have you heard from Markus on this issue? Is he looking into it?

I want to start a historical game with real minors but I'm waiting until it's fully playable with no obvious bugs.

actionjackson · 03-28-2016, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Habsfan18

Spritze,

Have you heard from Markus on this issue? Is he looking into it?

I want to start a historical game with real minors but I'm waiting until it's fully playable with no obvious bugs.

I would expect it to take quite a while to get all the bugs ironed out with real minor leagues. You don't just go from 18,500 players in the database to over 175,000 in the two databases combined and expect no bumps in the road. This was an extremely ambitious project, and it may take all of OOTP17's development cycle to get it to where it should be. Then again, knowing the people who are working on it, it could be sooner than I think.

Spritze · 03-28-2016, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Habsfan18

Spritze,

Have you heard from Markus on this issue? Yes, I sent him league files Is he looking into it? Yes

I want to start a historical game with real minors but I'm waiting until it's fully playable with no obvious bugs.

It will be handled

Spritze · 03-28-2016, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

I would expect it to take quite a while to get all the bugs ironed out with real minor leagues. You don't just go from 18,500 players in the database to over 175,000 in the two databases combined and expect no bumps in the road. This was an extremely ambitious project, and it may take all of OOTP17's development cycle to get it to where it should be. Then again, knowing the people who are working on it, it could be sooner than I think.

I upgraded the databases from a 2006 version to the latest 2014 version so the occasional failures to update and delete would go away. The databases can now grow much larger. By a factor of about 1,000. This may be a good thing as time goes on.

Amazin69 · 03-29-2016, 03:47 AM

So…what are we going to do about the 1962 Syracuse Chiefs? I understand that it would be difficult to set up a joint-operated farm team for the Mets and the Senators, but hopefully not impossible. Perhaps they could each have a "Syracuse" farm to send people to and recall them from, but the International League would have a "Syracuse" whose manager could draw on both player pools to play the games? As I say, difficult; I don't know the coding issues that would be involved in this. (And for the co-op teams used by the 1969 and 1977 expansion teams, as well.)

BUT…it's clearly better than the current system, where neither the Mets nor the Senators have control over the "Syracuse" players who are actually their property. The Mets went to all that trouble to get Grover Powell to drop out of the University of Pennsylvania and sign with them in February (Powell had been kicked off of Penn's baseball team for discipline issues, but it was still an Ivy League school he was walking away from), so when I play as Mets GM I should be able to control him, rather than have him be out of reach on an "independent" Syracuse. Ditto for Larry Bearnarth, as well as Tom Belcher and other players who never reached the majors. Indeed, Belcher attended Mets camp; he should probably be on the 40-man roster.

Perhaps that's the solution? Leave Syracuse as "independent", but put the players on the 40-man roster of the respective parent clubs? Maybe give the Mets/Washington GMs (either human or AI) the option to assign players to Syracuse, but only if they're on the 40-man? Just make sure that the "Syracuse" AI can't release or trade any players on its own?

In any event, here's how the Syracuse roster should be allocated:

Mets

Tommy Addington (should be with Salisbury of the Western Carolinas League, the Mets Class D team he spent most of the year with, but that league isn't in the game)

Paul Alspach (should be on Auburn or Quincy, as he spent most of the year there, and was presumably promoted to Syracuse later)

Ray Apple (the original Met, signed back in 1960; spent some time with the Dodgers' farm in Greenville, but that was probably just a loan)

Larry Bearnarth
Tom Belcher
Evans Killeen (should probably be with Quincy; spent much of the year there)

Grover Powell (should be on Auburn; he started the year there)
William Whalen (should be on Auburn; he spent most of the year there)

Senators

Dutch Dotterer
Rudy Hernandez
Hector Maestri

Carl Mathias (an interesting case; he was a '61 expansion Senator, but in the Mets chain in '63-'64. Mlbtradetracker says the Mets acquired him for cash on 12/20/62, so that makes him a Senator for '62)

Tom McAvoy

Others

Don Gross (should probably be a legitimate free agent; the Pirates had outrighted him to Salt Lake in 1960 and he was just hanging on with minor league teams, trying to pitch through his elbow problems. Even though he pitched for Columbus in 1961 and 1963, he wasn't Pirates property any more, nor did he sign with the Mets or Senators for his brief stint in 1962, just with Syracuse.)

Bill Lajoie (per this obituary, the future Tigers GM spent almost all of 1962 as property of Athletics, even though he played for Toronto [Braves affiliate] until August, when Syracuse acquired him. They then sent him back to the A's at season end, where he was assigned to Portland, but found himself with the Cincinnati PCL team [San Diego] by the start of 1963. Should probably be in the Kansas City chain, Toronto assignment aside.)

Henry Mitchell (should be in the Pirates system, either at Columbus [where he finished '61] or Asheville; he played for both, then Syracuse and finished the year at Dallas-Fort Worth, which was a co-op team of the Phillies and Angels. As he spent 1963 with the Angels' AAA team in Nashville, it appears that Syracuse was just a transitory stop [maybe even a loaner] between the Pirates and Angels chains, regardless of whose property he might have been for those few weeks.)

Francisco Obregon (in the middle of a 12-year stint in the Cincinnati chain, and he goes right back there next year. Probably on loan, the way he'd been for 55 games he spent with Indianapolis [Phils apphiliate] in 1960)

Ernie Oravetz (apparently a free agent, signed independently with Syracuse; he'd been with the Chiefs when they were a Twins farm in '61 and then had been traded to Spokane. In 1962 he returned briefly to Syracuse and then rejoined the Twins system, moving down to Charlotte for the rest of '62 and '63)

Charlie Rabe (should be with Macon, in the Reds system; he played there in 1961 and 1963 as well. The Syracuse visit seems like a loan, nothing more.)

Frank Verdi (should be considered unaffiliated, as he had been the player-manager for the finish of the 1961 season, when Syracuse was a Twins affiliate, and so his contract was probably with Syracuse rather than either MLB team. When he was fired with the team at 33-53, he went to the Yankees chain, playing out the season at Amarillo, before starting his long Yankees managerial career at Greensboro in 1963.)

So that's the "who-goes-where" aspect of the Mets-Senators co-op; a similar parsing out should be done for the DFW Rangers, who were also co-op, as noted. No need to deprive the Phillies of Gary Kroll and the Angels of Bob Lee (for example) just because they were assigned to a team under joint control.

There are also numerous errors with the 1962 ML rosters (as of the March 3 start date), which I'll cover in a separate post (or posts). Unless there's someplace else I should put that data.

Thanks.

Spritze · 03-29-2016, 02:15 PM

Joint-operated farm teams not currently supported.
Players on Loan not currently supported.
Players who signed independently with a minor league team are supported.

Currently working on creating Stints for the minor leagues, they may be inaccurate in some cases but we have to start somewhere.

swampdragon · 03-29-2016, 02:37 PM

I think for now I'd leave Syracuse independent. Use Commissioner powers to keep Syracuse from making any AI roster changes. At the end of the season, manually move the players wherever they are supposed to start the next season, so they won't be captured by whatever system takes over the team the next year. Until the game supports this kind of dual affiliation, that's the only solution I see.

swampdragon · 03-29-2016, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

I would expect it to take quite a while to get all the bugs ironed out with real minor leagues. You don't just go from 18,500 players in the database to over 175,000 in the two databases combined and expect no bumps in the road. This was an extremely ambitious project, and it may take all of OOTP17's development cycle to get it to where it should be. Then again, knowing the people who are working on it, it could be sooner than I think.

Right. This may take some time. Since we'll have to start new games to get the benefit of some of these fixes, I'm calmly (?) waiting for the fixes before I really get started. I think the wait will be rewarded.

David Watts · 03-29-2016, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

Right. This may take some time. Since we'll have to start new games to get the benefit of some of these fixes, I'm calmly (?) waiting for the fixes before I really get started. I think the wait will be rewarded.

I think you've just helped me make a league choice. I've been switching back and forth between a 1920 historical league with minors and a random debut league started in 1921. I think I'm going to spend my time playing the random debut league for now. Then when everything gets sorted out with the real minors down the road, I will start back up again.

swampdragon · 03-29-2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I think you've just helped me make a league choice. I've been switching back and forth between a 1920 historical league with minors and a random debut league started in 1921. I think I'm going to spend my time playing the random debut league for now. Then when everything gets sorted out with the real minors down the road, I will start back up again.

I have annually restarted 1901 and 1871 replays I do while waiting for bugs to clear so I can start my real project, which this year will be a 1919, give or take a couple of years, historical replay with minors, playing out the Texas League with historical lineups gleaned from the Sporting News. No one has ever done that before, and it appeals to me as a project for my introduction to the feature. But I'm not going to start it until the bugs are squashed and we have the final menu of leagues.

David Watts · 03-29-2016, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

I have annually restarted 1901 and 1871 replays I do while waiting for bugs to clear so I can start my real project, which this year will be a 1919, give or take a couple of years, historical replay with minors, playing out the Texas League with historical lineups gleaned from the Sporting News. No one has ever done that before, and it appeals to me as a project for my introduction to the feature. But I'm not going to start it until the bugs are squashed and we have the final menu of leagues.

I'm still floored that our Shreveport team was nicknamed the Gassers. What a name. Do you remember the dust up that occurred when they changed from Captains to your forum name? I think people were just looking for a reason not to go to their games anymore, but you would have thought the sky was falling when they became the Swampdragons. By the way, have you driven by Fairgrounds field lately. Makes me want to cry.

swampdragon · 03-29-2016, 04:42 PM

I knew no good would come of the Captains being sold. The only good thing about the Swampdragons was the combination with the Lord of the Rings to inspire my internet identity. Gassers is antiquated, but economic industry names have been popular in minor leagues. The 1919 Beaumont team was the Exporters, and Waco was the Navigators, so there were three workers, four animals, and the Galveston Pirates. Which I guess was Galveston's principal industry at one time.

mywaydimag · 03-29-2016, 07:21 PM

Hello...I think this is the right place for this. In the 1992/1993 Yankees season, the Paul O'Neill/Roberto Kelly trade is not completed. The game trades Kelly to the Reds, but does not send O'Neill to the Yankees!

Spritze · 03-29-2016, 07:25 PM

This one goes one level up.

JaBurns · 03-29-2016, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

I have annually restarted 1901 and 1871 replays I do while waiting for bugs to clear so I can start my real project, which this year will be a 1919, give or take a couple of years, historical replay with minors, playing out the Texas League with historical lineups gleaned from the Sporting News. No one has ever done that before, and it appeals to me as a project for my introduction to the feature. But I'm not going to start it until the bugs are squashed and we have the final menu of leagues.

Thank you guys for the ideas of when to begin a big personal project in 17. I will use the two historical leagues (1919 and 1946 starts) as learning tool leagues and blow them up when the dust settles with updates.

Amazin69 · 03-30-2016, 04:10 AM

Okay, I guess I can manually keep the Syracusians caged for a year and then send them on their way in '63, and the same for the co-op DFW Rangers. Three other questions about the set-up before I move to the actual ML roster errors:

1) Do the players who spent the whole season in non-included leagues (such as the Western Carolinas League, mentioned above) reappear next year, or will they have to be added in, manually? I mean, the Mets didn't assign many top prospects to Salisbury, but Jerry Johnson did have a 10-year career in the show, and even got Cy Young and MVP votes in 1971. Hate to have him vanish, even if the Mets thought he was a 3rd Baseman.

2) What about conditional purchase agreements? The Mets had already returned Johnny Antonelli to Milwaukee and Billy Loes to the Giants before the game starts, but they still had Bob Botz and Neil Chrisley (Braves) and Howie Nunn (Reds) in camp. They should at least be on the Mets' roster, but I don't know if there's a way to code it so that the Mets either have to keep them on the active roster or return them, as it appears was the case. Should be similar to the Rule V draft, I suppose.

3) Is there anyway to account for trades where there was still a PBTNL dangling? The Mets have Frank Thomas, but they owed Milwaukee something for him. And the reason the Dodgers send Willard Hunter to the Mets in May is because he's the last piece of the Lee Walls/Charlie Neal trade from the winter meetings. Just a hunch, but I think the Mets will need all the help they can get…

It's also a little disconcerting to see guys who signed as amateurs during the season already on the rosters. Ed Kranepool was still at James Monroe H.S. in the Bronx in March (signed June 27), but you have him on the team. Don't know what can be done here, though. (There are about 25 players in this category, including one Hall of Famer, Fergie Jenkins.)

Okay, now for the actual errors:

• Ted Lepcio is listed as retired. He's actually in camp with the Mets, having signed on after the Twins released him in October and didn't hang them up until the Mets cut him in April.

• Aubrey Gatewood is listed with the Tri-City Braves, an unaffiliated team in the Northwest League. But the Mets had actually taken him as a Rule V pick from the Angels, and he should be listed with them as such.

• The Mets' other Rule V pick, Bob Moorhead (Reds) is correctly on the team, but he should have the "!" coding that Rule V picks get, to indicate he can't go to the minors.

• Harry Chiti is with the Mets. This is incorrect, he should be with Cleveland. The "Harry Chiti for, um, Harry Chiti" trade doesn't happen until April 26, with Chiti being sent back to the Tribe on June 15.

•Rick Herrscher is with the Mets' Quincy farm. He should still be with Milwaukee; he doesn't join the Mets until May 21, when the Mets send Gus Bell to Milwaukee as the PTBNL in the Frank Thomas trade. Herrscher comes back to balance the deal.

• Larry Foss is with the Mets' Santa Barbara farm. He should be with Pittsburgh; he spends the season in their system (Asheville, Columbus) until the Mets get him on waivers on September 6.

And one minor uniform number error; you have Jim Hickman wearing #99 (who is he, Turk Wendell?) when it should be #9.

More corrections to follow.

Spritze · 03-30-2016, 01:04 PM

1) Yes
2) Not currently supported
3) Not currently supported
Amateurs who signed during season = Not currently supported
There is no minor league transaction file with dates so the players mentioned are based on who they played for not when and nothing else.

Amazin69 · 03-30-2016, 02:22 PM

Sorry about the confusion, but I asked

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Do the players who spent the whole season in non-included leagues (such as the Western Carolinas League, mentioned above) reappear next year, or will they have to be added in, manually?

and got a "Yes" in reply. Yes to which? Yes, they reappear, or yes, they'll have to be added manually? (Thanks for replying, though.)

Also

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There is no minor league transaction file with dates so the players mentioned are based on who they played for not when and nothing else.

Well, these are all major league transactions; it was the Mets who signed/cut Lepcio, traded for Herrscher, claimed Foss on waivers, etc., not one of their affiliates.

But I assume we're not simply wondering why a roster is inaccurate, we're trying to fix the inaccuracies, right? So that's in "a difference that makes no difference is no difference" territory, I'd think. Given the size of the project, a certain amount of errors were bound to be inevitable; I'm not casting blame or anything.

On to Houston, the Mets' expansion partner:

• George Brunet, who went commando under his uniform (source: Ball Four), is listed with Houston. He should be with Milwaukee; the trade for Ben Johnson (who is correctly with Houston's AAA team, Oklahoma City; good catch on the "unknown transaction" by which Houston acquired Johnson from the Cubs) doesn't happen until May 16

• Billy Goodman is with Houston; he should be with the White Sox. The Sox don't cut him until April, and he doesn't sign with Houston until May 15.

• Tom Borland is with the Colt .45s farm in Durham, whereas Dave Philley is with Seattle (Red Sox AAA). This is premature; the Borland for Philley trade doesn't happen until March 24, and we're on March 3. The players should be with their current organizations.

• Dean Stone (Cardinals) and John Weekly (Giants) were Rule V acquisitions, and should be marked/coded as such.

• Dick Drott and George Williams should start the season on the 60-day DL; they both had military duty and weren't able to play until July. (No way I'll be able to catch this in every case, but Houston was a first-year expansion team, so there was an article analyzing their expansion draft that I found. So we've got these two, anyhow.)

More to come.

Spritze · 03-30-2016, 02:59 PM

Real MLB transactions are not an option with real minors in use.
Yes, they reappear
These players are not currently fixable.

Amazin69 · 03-30-2016, 09:08 PM

Oh, you can't reassign them in a patch? It has to be a redo of the whole database for v. 18?

That's disappointing, but I may as well continue. It will be a guide for those who want to fix v. 17 manually, and it's only a year until 18, so this will be needed, eventually. (Given that there are probably roster issues like this in every single season, there's not even a guarantee we'd get them all done in a year, but it can't hurt to try.)

Chicago Cubs issues

• Bobby Locke is with the Cardinals' Atlanta farm; he should be Cubs property. They got him in the Jerry Kindall trade over the winter, and don't swap him to St. Louis until April 7.

• While Paul Toth is correctly placed in the Cardinals chain, the pitcher the Cubs will trade to acquire Toth on September 1st, Harvey Branch, is also placed as a Cardinal property, and that's premature. Branch spends most of '62 where he spent most of '61, at the Cubs' AA team in San Antonio. He should probably start there.

• Curt Motton is on the 40-man roster. Given that he will be taken by the Orioles in the "first-year" draft after the season for not being on the 40-man, starting him there seems premature. The Cubs AI (or human Cubs player) might put him on the 40, but there's no sense giving them a leg up on history.

(Not that the "first year" draft exists in this game, but that's a different issue. I'm only discussing this from a roster p.o.v.)

Philadelphia Phillies issues

• Mel Roach is listed with the Phils' AAA team at Buffalo, while Tony Curry is with Cleveland. This is premature; the trade doesn't happen until March 20. (Ken Lehman, the other player sent to Cleveland, is correctly still with Buffalo.)

• Billy Klaus is with the Phillies; he should be with Washington. The Phils don't buy his contract until April 5.

• Sammy White is with Buffalo. Just a little premature; as of March 3, he's still a free agent. The Phils don't sign him until March 7.

• Cal McLish is with the Phils, while Lou Vassie is at the White Sox AAA farm, at Indianapolis. Again, premature, as this exchange (to remedy Andy Carey's refusal to report) doesn't take place until March 24.

• Billy Consolo is a Rule V pick (Braves) and should be coded as such.

• Cal Neeman is with the Pirates' AAA team at Columbus. He's still a Phillie in March; they don't sell him across the state until May 7.

And…onwards. Just further onwards than I thought.

03-29-2016, 03:47 AM	#165
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,382 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	1962 Roster Issue So…what are we going to do about the 1962 Syracuse Chiefs? I understand that it would be difficult to set up a joint-operated farm team for the Mets and the Senators, but hopefully not impossible. Perhaps they could each have a "Syracuse" farm to send people to and recall them from, but the International League would have a "Syracuse" whose manager could draw on both player pools to play the games? As I say, difficult; I don't know the coding issues that would be involved in this. (And for the co-op teams used by the 1969 and 1977 expansion teams, as well.) BUT…it's clearly better than the current system, where neither the Mets nor the Senators have control over the "Syracuse" players who are actually their property. The Mets went to all that trouble to get Grover Powell to drop out of the University of Pennsylvania and sign with them in February (Powell had been kicked off of Penn's baseball team for discipline issues, but it was still an Ivy League school he was walking away from), so when I play as Mets GM I should be able to control him, rather than have him be out of reach on an "independent" Syracuse. Ditto for Larry Bearnarth, as well as Tom Belcher and other players who never reached the majors. Indeed, Belcher attended Mets camp; he should probably be on the 40-man roster. Perhaps that's the solution? Leave Syracuse as "independent", but put the players on the 40-man roster of the respective parent clubs? Maybe give the Mets/Washington GMs (either human or AI) the option to assign players to Syracuse, but only if they're on the 40-man? Just make sure that the "Syracuse" AI can't release or trade any players on its own? In any event, here's how the Syracuse roster should be allocated: Mets Tommy Addington (should be with Salisbury of the Western Carolinas League, the Mets Class D team he spent most of the year with, but that league isn't in the game) Paul Alspach (should be on Auburn or Quincy, as he spent most of the year there, and was presumably promoted to Syracuse later) Ray Apple (the original Met, signed back in 1960; spent some time with the Dodgers' farm in Greenville, but that was probably just a loan) Larry Bearnarth Tom Belcher Evans Killeen (should probably be with Quincy; spent much of the year there) Grover Powell (should be on Auburn; he started the year there) William Whalen (should be on Auburn; he spent most of the year there) Senators Dutch Dotterer Rudy Hernandez Hector Maestri Carl Mathias (an interesting case; he was a '61 expansion Senator, but in the Mets chain in '63-'64. Mlbtradetracker says the Mets acquired him for cash on 12/20/62, so that makes him a Senator for '62) Tom McAvoy Others Don Gross (should probably be a legitimate free agent; the Pirates had outrighted him to Salt Lake in 1960 and he was just hanging on with minor league teams, trying to pitch through his elbow problems. Even though he pitched for Columbus in 1961 and 1963, he wasn't Pirates property any more, nor did he sign with the Mets or Senators for his brief stint in 1962, just with Syracuse.) Bill Lajoie (per this obituary, the future Tigers GM spent almost all of 1962 as property of Athletics, even though he played for Toronto [Braves affiliate] until August, when Syracuse acquired him. They then sent him back to the A's at season end, where he was assigned to Portland, but found himself with the Cincinnati PCL team [San Diego] by the start of 1963. Should probably be in the Kansas City chain, Toronto assignment aside.) Henry Mitchell (should be in the Pirates system, either at Columbus [where he finished '61] or Asheville; he played for both, then Syracuse and finished the year at Dallas-Fort Worth, which was a co-op team of the Phillies and Angels. As he spent 1963 with the Angels' AAA team in Nashville, it appears that Syracuse was just a transitory stop [maybe even a loaner] between the Pirates and Angels chains, regardless of whose property he might have been for those few weeks.) Francisco Obregon (in the middle of a 12-year stint in the Cincinnati chain, and he goes right back there next year. Probably on loan, the way he'd been for 55 games he spent with Indianapolis [Phils apphiliate] in 1960) Ernie Oravetz (apparently a free agent, signed independently with Syracuse; he'd been with the Chiefs when they were a Twins farm in '61 and then had been traded to Spokane. In 1962 he returned briefly to Syracuse and then rejoined the Twins system, moving down to Charlotte for the rest of '62 and '63) Charlie Rabe (should be with Macon, in the Reds system; he played there in 1961 and 1963 as well. The Syracuse visit seems like a loan, nothing more.) Frank Verdi (should be considered unaffiliated, as he had been the player-manager for the finish of the 1961 season, when Syracuse was a Twins affiliate, and so his contract was probably with Syracuse rather than either MLB team. When he was fired with the team at 33-53, he went to the Yankees chain, playing out the season at Amarillo, before starting his long Yankees managerial career at Greensboro in 1963.) So that's the "who-goes-where" aspect of the Mets-Senators co-op; a similar parsing out should be done for the DFW Rangers, who were also co-op, as noted. No need to deprive the Phillies of Gary Kroll and the Angels of Bob Lee (for example) just because they were assigned to a team under joint control. There are also numerous errors with the 1962 ML rosters (as of the March 3 start date), which I'll cover in a separate post (or posts). Unless there's someplace else I should put that data. Thanks.

03-29-2016, 02:15 PM	#166
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Joint-operated farm teams not currently supported. Players on Loan not currently supported. Players who signed independently with a minor league team are supported. Currently working on creating Stints for the minor leagues, they may be inaccurate in some cases but we have to start somewhere. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-29-2016, 02:37 PM	#167
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	I think for now I'd leave Syracuse independent. Use Commissioner powers to keep Syracuse from making any AI roster changes. At the end of the season, manually move the players wherever they are supposed to start the next season, so they won't be captured by whatever system takes over the team the next year. Until the game supports this kind of dual affiliation, that's the only solution I see. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

03-29-2016, 04:42 PM	#172
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	I knew no good would come of the Captains being sold. The only good thing about the Swampdragons was the combination with the Lord of the Rings to inspire my internet identity. Gassers is antiquated, but economic industry names have been popular in minor leagues. The 1919 Beaumont team was the Exporters, and Waco was the Navigators, so there were three workers, four animals, and the Galveston Pirates. Which I guess was Galveston's principal industry at one time. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

03-29-2016, 07:25 PM	#174
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	This one goes one level up. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-29-2016, 07:21 PM	#173
mywaydimag Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 19	Hello...I think this is the right place for this. In the 1992/1993 Yankees season, the Paul O'Neill/Roberto Kelly trade is not completed. The game trades Kelly to the Reds, but does not send O'Neill to the Yankees!

03-30-2016, 04:10 AM	#176
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,382 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Cool it on the co-ops, okay. Okay, I guess I can manually keep the Syracusians caged for a year and then send them on their way in '63, and the same for the co-op DFW Rangers. Three other questions about the set-up before I move to the actual ML roster errors: 1) Do the players who spent the whole season in non-included leagues (such as the Western Carolinas League, mentioned above) reappear next year, or will they have to be added in, manually? I mean, the Mets didn't assign many top prospects to Salisbury, but Jerry Johnson did have a 10-year career in the show, and even got Cy Young and MVP votes in 1971. Hate to have him vanish, even if the Mets thought he was a 3rd Baseman. 2) What about conditional purchase agreements? The Mets had already returned Johnny Antonelli to Milwaukee and Billy Loes to the Giants before the game starts, but they still had Bob Botz and Neil Chrisley (Braves) and Howie Nunn (Reds) in camp. They should at least be on the Mets' roster, but I don't know if there's a way to code it so that the Mets either have to keep them on the active roster or return them, as it appears was the case. Should be similar to the Rule V draft, I suppose. 3) Is there anyway to account for trades where there was still a PBTNL dangling? The Mets have Frank Thomas, but they owed Milwaukee something for him. And the reason the Dodgers send Willard Hunter to the Mets in May is because he's the last piece of the Lee Walls/Charlie Neal trade from the winter meetings. Just a hunch, but I think the Mets will need all the help they can get… It's also a little disconcerting to see guys who signed as amateurs during the season already on the rosters. Ed Kranepool was still at James Monroe H.S. in the Bronx in March (signed June 27), but you have him on the team. Don't know what can be done here, though. (There are about 25 players in this category, including one Hall of Famer, Fergie Jenkins.) Okay, now for the actual errors: • Ted Lepcio is listed as retired. He's actually in camp with the Mets, having signed on after the Twins released him in October and didn't hang them up until the Mets cut him in April. • Aubrey Gatewood is listed with the Tri-City Braves, an unaffiliated team in the Northwest League. But the Mets had actually taken him as a Rule V pick from the Angels, and he should be listed with them as such. • The Mets' other Rule V pick, Bob Moorhead (Reds) is correctly on the team, but he should have the "!" coding that Rule V picks get, to indicate he can't go to the minors. • Harry Chiti is with the Mets. This is incorrect, he should be with Cleveland. The "Harry Chiti for, um, Harry Chiti" trade doesn't happen until April 26, with Chiti being sent back to the Tribe on June 15. •Rick Herrscher is with the Mets' Quincy farm. He should still be with Milwaukee; he doesn't join the Mets until May 21, when the Mets send Gus Bell to Milwaukee as the PTBNL in the Frank Thomas trade. Herrscher comes back to balance the deal. • Larry Foss is with the Mets' Santa Barbara farm. He should be with Pittsburgh; he spends the season in their system (Asheville, Columbus) until the Mets get him on waivers on September 6. And one minor uniform number error; you have Jim Hickman wearing #99 (who is he, Turk Wendell?) when it should be #9. More corrections to follow. Last edited by Amazin69; 03-30-2016 at 04:14 AM.

03-30-2016, 01:04 PM	#177
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	1) Yes 2) Not currently supported 3) Not currently supported Amateurs who signed during season = Not currently supported There is no minor league transaction file with dates so the players mentioned are based on who they played for not when and nothing else. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-30-2016, 02:59 PM	#179
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Real MLB transactions are not an option with real minors in use. Yes, they reappear These players are not currently fixable. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-30-2016, 09:08 PM	#180
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,382 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Oh, you can't reassign them in a patch? It has to be a redo of the whole database for v. 18? That's disappointing, but I may as well continue. It will be a guide for those who want to fix v. 17 manually, and it's only a year until 18, so this will be needed, eventually. (Given that there are probably roster issues like this in every single season, there's not even a guarantee we'd get them all done in a year, but it can't hurt to try.) Chicago Cubs issues • Bobby Locke is with the Cardinals' Atlanta farm; he should be Cubs property. They got him in the Jerry Kindall trade over the winter, and don't swap him to St. Louis until April 7. • While Paul Toth is correctly placed in the Cardinals chain, the pitcher the Cubs will trade to acquire Toth on September 1st, Harvey Branch, is also placed as a Cardinal property, and that's premature. Branch spends most of '62 where he spent most of '61, at the Cubs' AA team in San Antonio. He should probably start there. • Curt Motton is on the 40-man roster. Given that he will be taken by the Orioles in the "first-year" draft after the season for not being on the 40-man, starting him there seems premature. The Cubs AI (or human Cubs player) might put him on the 40, but there's no sense giving them a leg up on history. (Not that the "first year" draft exists in this game, but that's a different issue. I'm only discussing this from a roster p.o.v.) Philadelphia Phillies issues • Mel Roach is listed with the Phils' AAA team at Buffalo, while Tony Curry is with Cleveland. This is premature; the trade doesn't happen until March 20. (Ken Lehman, the other player sent to Cleveland, is correctly still with Buffalo.) • Billy Klaus is with the Phillies; he should be with Washington. The Phils don't buy his contract until April 5. • Sammy White is with Buffalo. Just a little premature; as of March 3, he's still a free agent. The Phils don't sign him until March 7. • Cal McLish is with the Phils, while Lou Vassie is at the White Sox AAA farm, at Indianapolis. Again, premature, as this exchange (to remedy Andy Carey's refusal to report) doesn't take place until March 24. • Billy Consolo is a Rule V pick (Braves) and should be coded as such. • Cal Neeman is with the Pirates' AAA team at Columbus. He's still a Phillie in March; they don't sell him across the state until May 7. And…onwards. Just further onwards than I thought.