Platoon Super STAR!!!

potatoman · 05-25-2003, 12:26 AM

Ahhh OOTP seems to have screwed me over AGAIN...my season file got corrupted when i found something brilliant. I do not have all the exact stats but i wrote up part of the story and saved it and was going to release it after a few more seasons but it looks like those seasons are not going to be comming so i guess ill start a new season. Heres my story!

NEW YORK SS's lead team to 128 wins/WS wins!

New York SS's season stats:

Fredrick Franklin LH - .376, 40 HRs, 94 RBIs
Kevin Williams RH - .366, 32 HRs, 87 RBIs

Okay look at these two guys. FF was a LHB which i found the previous offseason. He was a 3 star player, rated 5 in hits, 7 in HR. He was also only making $1.3 mil and i traded a 4 1/2 star 1B who was making 9 mil for him. Sounds like a crappy deal so far right? But you don't nkow all the details. Franklin had a 9 rating in avg vs RHP and HR rating of 15 against RHP. He had a 3 and 4 rating against LHP. I decided to take him and look around the league to see if there was someone just opposite of him. good at hitting LHP. Surprisingly, i found Williams who was a 2 1/2 prospect and it did not take much to get him. Williams had a 8 in hits against LHP and 14 for HR, but again his hits vs RHP was 4 and HR was 3. I saw a few more players like this who were better but i took Williams because he lpayed the same position as Franklin.

I set the depth charts so they they only played against their strength and i simmed 1/2 the season. I noticed that their play was phenomonal and they were never tired. Williams just killed LHP and Franklin destroyed RHP. When the season was over, both of them were 1 and 2 in the HR list and had led my team, who was a .500 team to a 128 win season! We swept through the division series and lost one game in the championship series but swept the World Series. These two contributed a whole lot to the team and made 2.5 million dollars total. They dominated and brought my team with just a bunch of role players to the championship. I was going to rebuild the team with young ones too.

BTW, does anyone know how the development does this? like makes players good at hitting a certain type of pitching? i never knew about this until i looked at it and thought of a plan!

chambertrain · 05-25-2003, 12:50 AM

Nice post.

blubbla · 05-25-2003, 01:25 AM

Talk about some pretty good luck there...

Matteo · 05-25-2003, 04:27 AM

Quick question: the depth charts are based on starting pitching. What happens when a LHP gets replaced by a RHP? Does the AI changes your SS as well (pinchhitting)?

potatoman · 05-25-2003, 10:41 AM

hmm i never thought about that...i really don't know...i would manually substitute them when i played the games out

CMH · 05-25-2003, 02:29 PM

interesting.

I wouldn't be alarmed by it b/c it's possible.

The one thing that would worry me is the AI not acknowledgin the players' ability to hit RHP with such ferocity.

Obviously, it is very difficult to program the AI to think like a human, but this is one instance where a human player is taking advantage of an AI that can't think for itself.

The AI isn't programmed to recognize a players' strength from one side of the plate and that's a problem.

crackpott · 05-25-2003, 02:47 PM

The only thing is it's not possible.

It's stated that this Franklin fellow had a 5 in hits, and a 7 in HR. (3,9), (4,15). However this just isn't possible. OOTP uses the two ratings to calculate the overall rating, with 2/3 of the emphasis on RHP, and 1/3 on LHP. ie. someone who was a 3 against LHP and a 6 vs. RHP would be (3+6*2) = 15/3 = 5 overall rating. (give or take 1 depending on what side of 3 and 6 he's on.).

Regardless, if the numbers provided are even close to accurate, he would have a 3+9*2 = 21/3 = 7 in hits (not 5) That could be bad scouting... but the homers... (4+15*2)/3 = 11.3. Not even close to seven...

Maybe I'm just misreading it, though...

CMH · 05-25-2003, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crackpott
The only thing is it's not possible.

It's stated that this Franklin fellow had a 5 in hits, and a 7 in HR. (3,9), (4,15). However this just isn't possible. OOTP uses the two ratings to calculate the overall rating, with 2/3 of the emphasis on RHP, and 1/3 on LHP. ie. someone who was a 3 against LHP and a 6 vs. RHP would be (3+6*2) = 15/3 = 5 overall rating. (give or take 1 depending on what side of 3 and 6 he's on.).

Regardless, if the numbers provided are even close to accurate, he would have a 3+9*2 = 21/3 = 7 in hits (not 5) That could be bad scouting... but the homers... (4+15*2)/3 = 11.3. Not even close to seven...

Maybe I'm just misreading it, though...

Could be typos or perhaps that rare player that doesn't seem to fit any of the usual averages?

Or perhaps the player was a 5 in hits and a 7 in HR when he was picked up via trade. He then eventually became a monster against LHP? So perhaps we are gettin his old avg/hr ratings and his new avg/hr ratings agsint lhp and rhp.

I dont know...

bigphesta · 05-25-2003, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by potatoman
New York SS's season stats:

Fredrick Franklin LH - .376, 40 HRs, 94 RBIs
Kevin Williams RH - .366, 32 HRs, 87 RBIs

Kevin Williams... itsn't that the vMLB and vNCAA Commish... now we know something is up!

potatoman · 05-26-2003, 12:13 AM

Crackpott has a point. I thought it was strange too. Well that is the rating that i saw on the screen. It was probably a glitch maybe but i saw a few other people in the league like this but only these two i got cheap cuz their overall was low. I can't explain it, its just something that happened...something strange happens in every league i create lol

SoxWin · 05-26-2003, 03:19 PM

How many AB's did Williams get? There must be a lot of lefty starters in your league.

Rich

jmknpk · 05-27-2003, 03:47 AM

I started a draft league and focused at first on only pitchers until I filled out what I had hoped to be the best pitching club in the league. Then when I went to get my position players, I couldn't find what I was looking for.

Because I got good starters with good duration, I decided that I didn't need as many relievers. So I had extra room in my roster for platoon guys. I started trading around and specifically looking for platoon guys. I was surprised at how easy it was for me to trade the AI for excellent platoon starters vs. RHP (mostly LHB and switch hitters), but couldn't hit well vs. LHP.

It was relatively easy to get second string guys who could hit mediocre against LHP, but not RHP.

So, even though I focused my draft on pitching (4th in the league in mid-June), my team is 1st in runs scored. I just pieced together a bunch of platoon guys (it took a lot of time to find multiple position guys) that could platoon for the right people at the right position.

But...when I found them, it seemed like it was too easy to get who I wanted from the AI.

Anyway, I plan on using this strategy all of the time. Maybe it was just a fluke but it's working real well for me this first season.

By the way, one of these 1-star players I picked up, turns out to be the 2nd best hitter on my team. I meant him to be a backup to my starting SS, but now I'm playing him every game (and he hasn't failed yet). He's second only to my 5 star superstar in obp, and slugging from either side (even though his ratings show he can only hit LHP). I'm trying to figure out whether he's having an exceptionally lucky season and won't pan out in the long run...or his ratings don't reflect his true ability...or his ability is getting better as he plays or what.

IY1981 · 08-08-2003, 10:01 AM

When you use two players in a strict platoon - that is, one plays exclusively against RHP and the other against LHP - you're not giving these two players full playing time. Does this increase the risk of these two players suffering talent/ratings bumps as a result?

Cooker · 08-08-2003, 10:17 AM

I've found it helpful to go looking for bench guys (especially those who play multiple positions) with much higher HR ratings against either LH or RH pitching.

For only $300,000 I signed a free agent with a 12 HR rating vs. LHP. (His HR rating against RHP is only 6.) I use him occasionally against LHP at 1B or LF because my regular 1B and LF are both lefty hitters, but mostly I use him as off the bench in late innings if I'm down a run or two. He's been great getting clutch HRs in those situations and he's a relative bargain.

If you look around you can often find platoon bargains out there.

KurtBevacqua · 08-08-2003, 11:52 AM

I've got a similar situation with real life prospect Jack Cust. He's basically a left-handed Dave Kingman. Overall rating is 4-10-5, but against RHPs he is a 5-11-6. So after 48 games in my season he has 15 HR and 37 RBI hitting only against righties. I'm still looking for his right handed counterpart to share the DH with. And because he's just a DH he had arbitration award him only $300K.

05-25-2003, 12:26 AM	#1
potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Platoon Super STAR!!! Ahhh OOTP seems to have screwed me over AGAIN...my season file got corrupted when i found something brilliant. I do not have all the exact stats but i wrote up part of the story and saved it and was going to release it after a few more seasons but it looks like those seasons are not going to be comming so i guess ill start a new season. Heres my story! NEW YORK SS's lead team to 128 wins/WS wins! New York SS's season stats: Fredrick Franklin LH - .376, 40 HRs, 94 RBIs Kevin Williams RH - .366, 32 HRs, 87 RBIs Okay look at these two guys. FF was a LHB which i found the previous offseason. He was a 3 star player, rated 5 in hits, 7 in HR. He was also only making $1.3 mil and i traded a 4 1/2 star 1B who was making 9 mil for him. Sounds like a crappy deal so far right? But you don't nkow all the details. Franklin had a 9 rating in avg vs RHP and HR rating of 15 against RHP. He had a 3 and 4 rating against LHP. I decided to take him and look around the league to see if there was someone just opposite of him. good at hitting LHP. Surprisingly, i found Williams who was a 2 1/2 prospect and it did not take much to get him. Williams had a 8 in hits against LHP and 14 for HR, but again his hits vs RHP was 4 and HR was 3. I saw a few more players like this who were better but i took Williams because he lpayed the same position as Franklin. I set the depth charts so they they only played against their strength and i simmed 1/2 the season. I noticed that their play was phenomonal and they were never tired. Williams just killed LHP and Franklin destroyed RHP. When the season was over, both of them were 1 and 2 in the HR list and had led my team, who was a .500 team to a 128 win season! We swept through the division series and lost one game in the championship series but swept the World Series. These two contributed a whole lot to the team and made 2.5 million dollars total. They dominated and brought my team with just a bunch of role players to the championship. I was going to rebuild the team with young ones too. BTW, does anyone know how the development does this? like makes players good at hitting a certain type of pitching? i never knew about this until i looked at it and thought of a plan!

05-25-2003, 04:27 AM	#4
Matteo Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 473	Quick question: the depth charts are based on starting pitching. What happens when a LHP gets replaced by a RHP? Does the AI changes your SS as well (pinchhitting)? __________________ ESPN The Show live chat during 2004 ALCS: Julie (Boston): Do you think Jeter does the fist pump everytime he disappoints a woman in bed? Or does he save it for when he's with A-Rod? Bill Simmons: Whoops - I didn't mean to post that. Really, I didn't.

05-25-2003, 10:41 AM	#5
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05-25-2003, 02:47 PM	#7
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	The only thing is it's not possible. It's stated that this Franklin fellow had a 5 in hits, and a 7 in HR. (3,9), (4,15). However this just isn't possible. OOTP uses the two ratings to calculate the overall rating, with 2/3 of the emphasis on RHP, and 1/3 on LHP. ie. someone who was a 3 against LHP and a 6 vs. RHP would be (3+62) = 15/3 = 5 overall rating. (give or take 1 depending on what side of 3 and 6 he's on.). Regardless, if the numbers provided are even close to accurate, he would have a 3+92 = 21/3 = 7 in hits (not 5) That could be bad scouting... but the homers... (4+15*2)/3 = 11.3. Not even close to seven... Maybe I'm just misreading it, though... __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

05-26-2003, 03:19 PM	#11
SoxWin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Blissful ignorance Posts: 3,315	How many AB's did Williams get? There must be a lot of lefty starters in your league. Rich __________________ It's called partying. When you do a lot of it, you're bound to be places where the police show up. I smoke a lot of pot and drink a lot of beer. I also graduated Suma Cum Laude. ****ing sue me. - Luis Rivera

05-25-2003, 12:50 AM	#2
chambertrain Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oswego, New York Posts: 316	Nice post.

05-25-2003, 01:25 AM	#3
blubbla Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Herscher, IL Posts: 2,460	Talk about some pretty good luck there...

05-25-2003, 02:29 PM	#6
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	interesting. I wouldn't be alarmed by it b/c it's possible. The one thing that would worry me is the AI not acknowledgin the players' ability to hit RHP with such ferocity. Obviously, it is very difficult to program the AI to think like a human, but this is one instance where a human player is taking advantage of an AI that can't think for itself. The AI isn't programmed to recognize a players' strength from one side of the plate and that's a problem.

05-26-2003, 12:13 AM	#10
potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Crackpott has a point. I thought it was strange too. Well that is the rating that i saw on the screen. It was probably a glitch maybe but i saw a few other people in the league like this but only these two i got cheap cuz their overall was low. I can't explain it, its just something that happened...something strange happens in every league i create lol

05-27-2003, 03:47 AM	#12
jmknpk Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 39	I started a draft league and focused at first on only pitchers until I filled out what I had hoped to be the best pitching club in the league. Then when I went to get my position players, I couldn't find what I was looking for. Because I got good starters with good duration, I decided that I didn't need as many relievers. So I had extra room in my roster for platoon guys. I started trading around and specifically looking for platoon guys. I was surprised at how easy it was for me to trade the AI for excellent platoon starters vs. RHP (mostly LHB and switch hitters), but couldn't hit well vs. LHP. It was relatively easy to get second string guys who could hit mediocre against LHP, but not RHP. So, even though I focused my draft on pitching (4th in the league in mid-June), my team is 1st in runs scored. I just pieced together a bunch of platoon guys (it took a lot of time to find multiple position guys) that could platoon for the right people at the right position. But...when I found them, it seemed like it was too easy to get who I wanted from the AI. Anyway, I plan on using this strategy all of the time. Maybe it was just a fluke but it's working real well for me this first season. By the way, one of these 1-star players I picked up, turns out to be the 2nd best hitter on my team. I meant him to be a backup to my starting SS, but now I'm playing him every game (and he hasn't failed yet). He's second only to my 5 star superstar in obp, and slugging from either side (even though his ratings show he can only hit LHP). I'm trying to figure out whether he's having an exceptionally lucky season and won't pan out in the long run...or his ratings don't reflect his true ability...or his ability is getting better as he plays or what.

08-08-2003, 10:01 AM	#13
IY1981 Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10	Platooning When you use two players in a strict platoon - that is, one plays exclusively against RHP and the other against LHP - you're not giving these two players full playing time. Does this increase the risk of these two players suffering talent/ratings bumps as a result?

08-08-2003, 10:17 AM	#14
Cooker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 592	I've found it helpful to go looking for bench guys (especially those who play multiple positions) with much higher HR ratings against either LH or RH pitching. For only $300,000 I signed a free agent with a 12 HR rating vs. LHP. (His HR rating against RHP is only 6.) I use him occasionally against LHP at 1B or LF because my regular 1B and LF are both lefty hitters, but mostly I use him as off the bench in late innings if I'm down a run or two. He's been great getting clutch HRs in those situations and he's a relative bargain. If you look around you can often find platoon bargains out there.

08-08-2003, 11:52 AM	#15
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I've got a similar situation with real life prospect Jack Cust. He's basically a left-handed Dave Kingman. Overall rating is 4-10-5, but against RHPs he is a 5-11-6. So after 48 games in my season he has 15 HR and 37 RBI hitting only against righties. I'm still looking for his right handed counterpart to share the DH with. And because he's just a DH he had arbitration award him only $300K. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner