Historical League - Rookie Import issues

Exodor · 03-20-2016, 12:57 PM

I'm a little confused about my historical league and how it's importing rookies. I've been playing since 6.5 but things are different this year with full minor leagues.

I started a sim in 1946 with default settings. Assuming it works like past versions this setting should have rookies appear with the fist team they played for:

But after the 1946 seasson my Athletics did not receive any players and the list of available free agents is over 900 players:

For example, Dick Lane.

The first thing I always do with a new league is clear the entire history. This league started with 1946 but he has stats for 1945 - those are his real-life 1945 stats that came with the import.

Looking at his real life stats it looks like he sat 1946 out and didn't make his MLB debut until 1949. Did he import because he played in the minors in 1947? And if so why is he a free agent rather than being assigned to the minor league team he debuted with (even though he actually debuted in 1945)?

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Looking further I thought maybe these were all players who sat out 1946 but played in a later year but here's a guy who only played in 1945. He didn't appear in the first year of the sim, 1946, but showed up as a free agent in the offseason:

This is with a historical sim starting in 1946 with default settings. The only thing I did other than start the sim with the wizard is delete the entire league history right after creating the game. Why am i getting players who only played in 1945 as free agents heading into the 1947 season?

Spritze · 03-20-2016, 01:39 PM

Assuming it works like past versions It does not this setting should have rookies appear with the first minor league team they played for.

Your opening assumptions have slight incorrectancies. You will need to rethink the rest once you have rearranged your thinking.

Exodor · 03-20-2016, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

Assuming it works like past versions It does not this setting should have rookies appear with the first minor league team they played for.

Your opening assumptions have slight incorrectancies. You will need to rethink the rest once you have rearranged your thinking.

So then how does it work now?

Why would it import a player in 1947 who only played in 1945?

Why did 900+ free agents appear after the conclusion of the 1946 season?

Markus Heinsohn · 03-21-2016, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Exodor

So then how does it work now?

Why would it import a player in 1947 who only played in 1945?

Why did 900+ free agents appear after the conclusion of the 1946 season?

Because when there is no draft, minor league players who enter the league will do so as free agents.

Exodor · 03-21-2016, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Because when there is no draft, minor league players who enter the league will do so as free agents.

Ah, that's disappointing. I was hoping they would go to the team where they debuted the way it has worked in the past.

I guess I'll just play without real minor league players.

Is there any way to prevent it from importing players who sat out a year? For example, Dizzy Dean appears as a free agent heading into the 1947 season. HIs MLB career started in 1930 until 1941 then he played one more game in 1947. When starting a sim in 1946 and progressing until the end of the season he appears as a free agent going into 1947.

Did OOTP always import players who missed a year?

I've always started with my Royals debut in 1969 and I'm guessing 1946/ 1947 is a little unique with so many players missing seasons because of the war but this seems like new behavior.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-21-2016, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Exodor

Did OOTP always import players who missed a year?

Yes. That's intended. Otherwise those players would be gone forever.

Spritze · 03-21-2016, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Exodor

I guess I'll just play without real minor league players. You should do that

Is there any way to prevent it from importing players who sat out a year? No
Did OOTP always import players who missed a year? For the last five versions or so.

Everyone gets to play OOTP as they prefer within the game parameters. You are not required to use the minor leagues.

Exodor · 03-21-2016, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yes. That's intended. Otherwise those players would be gone forever.

Got it!

And I answered my question from the OP regarding Harry Hepler - he doesn't have any pitching stats for 1947 but does have 109 PAs as a pitcher - so the db must just be missing his pitching numbers but since he did appear in 1947 the game imported him as expected.

Thanks Markus!

03-20-2016, 12:57 PM	#1
Exodor Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 481	Historical League - Rookie Import issues I'm a little confused about my historical league and how it's importing rookies. I've been playing since 6.5 but things are different this year with full minor leagues. I started a sim in 1946 with default settings. Assuming it works like past versions this setting should have rookies appear with the fist team they played for: But after the 1946 seasson my Athletics did not receive any players and the list of available free agents is over 900 players: For example, Dick Lane. The first thing I always do with a new league is clear the entire history. This league started with 1946 but he has stats for 1945 - those are his real-life 1945 stats that came with the import. Looking at his real life stats it looks like he sat 1946 out and didn't make his MLB debut until 1949. Did he import because he played in the minors in 1947? And if so why is he a free agent rather than being assigned to the minor league team he debuted with (even though he actually debuted in 1945)? ] Looking further I thought maybe these were all players who sat out 1946 but played in a later year but here's a guy who only played in 1945. He didn't appear in the first year of the sim, 1946, but showed up as a free agent in the offseason: This is with a historical sim starting in 1946 with default settings. The only thing I did other than start the sim with the wizard is delete the entire league history right after creating the game. Why am i getting players who only played in 1945 as free agents heading into the 1947 season?

03-20-2016, 01:39 PM	#2
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Assuming it works like past versions It does not this setting should have rookies appear with the first minor league team they played for. Your opening assumptions have slight incorrectancies. You will need to rethink the rest once you have rearranged your thinking. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!