Clarification on historical minors

mitchkenn · 03-18-2016, 03:40 PM

i assumed (incorrectly - not certain if i misunderstood or what) that if i started a new game in 17 and had to add historical minor leagues checked, i could add my own minors leagues and when the game got to the time the historicals were added, they would be added to the ones i already had. This is apparently incorrect.

This morning i simmed 3 yrs (1918-1920), created a AAA level for my league. In 1919 the Texas League showed up. But every year, after the completion of my sesason, the AAA teams vanished. i did this three times to be certain it wasn't something i had done or not checked.

i posted in the bug forum and Markus Heinsohn quickly wrote back with this info.

"Yes, sorry. When you have real minor leagues enabled then this will happen every season as the real minor leagues auto-adjust, nothing I can do here."

Not a major problem, as i can still leave my "minor" leaguers in the reserve box until i get enough minors in the 1920's or 30's. Also, i'll have to associate a few teams in the Texas League, as only two were associated.

Great game! Love the new trade options, when the assistant GM chimes in. Good job guys, and thanks for getting back to me so quickly.

Orioles1966 · 03-18-2016, 03:47 PM

What if the players were assigned to other teams?

mitchkenn · 03-18-2016, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Orioles1966

What if the players were assigned to other teams?

dunno ... will look at that closer when i get there. starting back at 1901 now. Manually entering minor leaguers and Negro League players. hopefully someone in the know will respond with clarification .... please!

swampdragon · 03-18-2016, 06:43 PM

How can I play with historical transactions and lineups and also have historical minors? How can I start before 1919 and also have historical minors?

pstrickert · 03-18-2016, 06:46 PM

Not possible to use both historical minors and historical lineups and transactions, swampdragon.

David Watts · 03-18-2016, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

Not possible to use both historical minors and historical lineups and transactions, swampdragon.

Can you use both historical minors and historical transactions? Minus the historical lineups.

froghair · 03-18-2016, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mitchkenn

i assumed (incorrectly - not certain if i misunderstood or what) that if i started a new game in 17 and had to add historical minor leagues checked, i could add my own minors leagues and when the game got to the time the historicals were added, they would be added to the ones i already had. This is apparently incorrect.

This morning i simmed 3 yrs (1918-1920), created a AAA level for my league. In 1919 the Texas League showed up. But every year, after the completion of my sesason, the AAA teams vanished. i did this three times to be certain it wasn't something i had done or not checked.

i posted in the bug forum and Markus Heinsohn quickly wrote back with this info.

"Yes, sorry. When you have real minor leagues enabled then this will happen every season as the real minor leagues auto-adjust, nothing I can do here."

Not a major problem, as i can still leave my "minor" leaguers in the reserve box until i get enough minors in the 1920's or 30's. Also, i'll have to associate a few teams in the Texas League, as only two were associated.

Great game! Love the new trade options, when the assistant GM chimes in. Good job guys, and thanks for getting back to me so quickly.

Mitch, I have been following the forum all day and your post lines up at least somewhat with something I'm dying to know. Is it possible to set up a league where the entire MLB+MiLB pool of players can appear in random debut? Or are minors just tethered to real teams in a historical?

pstrickert · 03-18-2016, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Can you use both historical minors and historical transactions? Minus the historical lineups.

No can do.

David Watts · 03-18-2016, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

No can do.

Sorry to hear this. I've always wanted to use historical transactions, but hate playing without injuries.

mitchkenn · 03-18-2016, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by froghair

Mitch, I have been following the forum all day and your post lines up at least somewhat with something I'm dying to know. Is it possible to set up a league where the entire MLB+MiLB pool of players can appear in random debut? Or are minors just tethered to real teams in a historical?

still trying to sort this out myself, but from what i can gather - historical minors are tethered to real teams in specific years, and you can't deviate too much (if at all) from that. instead of minors, for now (1901 era) i am using the reserve roster area for my "minor league" players. Hopefully when i get historical minors, they'll be absorbed by them. But i don't know. I am hoping someone with expert knowledge can clarify this, before i get too involved in a season.

swampdragon · 03-18-2016, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

Not possible to use both historical minors and historical lineups and transactions, swampdragon.

I'm disappointed.. I wanted to do a full history including minors. I should be able to do that.

Can I start before 1919 and add historical minors in 1919? I don't seem to get a choice when I start an earlier replay.

Edit: It looks like the advanced settings may let me do that. David, I think they will also let you turn injuries on, at least according to the screen options. We'll find out.

Lukas Berger · 03-18-2016, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

I'm disappointed.. I wanted to do a full history including minors. I should be able to do that.

I can understand. Please remember that it's a new feature though and it took a massive amount of work just to get it where it is now.

Markus has stated that it's a WIP, and there will surely be plenty of tweaks and improvements, both later on in this version and in future years.

pstrickert · 03-18-2016, 08:41 PM

Well, you can still do a full MLB history with historical minors from 1919-Present. But you won't be able to run it with historical lineups and transactions. Not sure how the combination would work, to be honest. If you use real lineups and transactions, everyone who played in the MLB during a given season will be on the major league roster. Everyone who did not play in the MLB during that season will be relegated to the minor leagues. There will be no call-ups and send-downs. So, it kind of defeats the purpose of having minor leagues. Unless I'm missing the logic?

Spritze · 03-18-2016, 09:54 PM

There is no historical minor league transaction database available. I am sure if you make one it can be included.

David Watts · 03-18-2016, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

There is no historical minor league transaction database available. I am sure if you make one it can be included.

Not going to happen. Mainly because I have absolutely no interest in real minor league transactions. Just wanted enough players to play with historical transactions and normal or higher injuries. That's not really possible to do if teams only have 2-3 catchers on the entire roster. Which lots of teams will, because that might be all the team used that year. Not a big deal, so many other ways to play. Was just curious if it was possible.

mgom27 · 03-18-2016, 10:55 PM

It will be better to load 2015 and have Randomize Draft Classes on for 2016 and beyond Also for Historical Drafts in Historical League Histirical High School/College Teams because then like Barry Bonds could enter Draft when in High School. Also an option to own rights to a Draft Pick past signing deadline and sign all Draft Picks to a contract and if Draft is like at Winter Mertings lots of Trades could happen including Draft Picks.

swampdragon · 03-19-2016, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

There is no historical minor league transaction database available. I am sure if you make one it can be included.

I would of course have to do the minor league transactions manually as well as set the leagues I wanted to play historically to not allow roster changes. I actually had it figured out in my head where I could use historical lineups for the minor leagues as well. It would be slow going, but that doesn't bother me. Obviously, I can simply do the major league transactions and lineups manually as well. Just hoping for an easier way.

prisonerno6 · 03-19-2016, 01:05 AM

I have found out that when a Minor Leaguer retires he will appear the next year on the team he played for during that year.
As you can see, Billy Goodman was traded in 1962, retired end of the 1962 season, and then appeared back within the Houston Organization since he played for the Durham Bulls in 1963.

swampdragon · 03-19-2016, 06:37 AM

That's something I'd hoped to see.

mgom27 · 03-19-2016, 08:52 AM

Create a League of let's say World Series Teams can Minor League Teams come to?
I would take like 2015 Royals and add past Royals to the Team. I know it's much easier if I tryed and did Psst/Present Rays and Marlins Rosters.

03-18-2016, 03:40 PM	#1
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,872	Clarification on historical minors i assumed (incorrectly - not certain if i misunderstood or what) that if i started a new game in 17 and had to add historical minor leagues checked, i could add my own minors leagues and when the game got to the time the historicals were added, they would be added to the ones i already had. This is apparently incorrect. This morning i simmed 3 yrs (1918-1920), created a AAA level for my league. In 1919 the Texas League showed up. But every year, after the completion of my sesason, the AAA teams vanished. i did this three times to be certain it wasn't something i had done or not checked. i posted in the bug forum and Markus Heinsohn quickly wrote back with this info. "Yes, sorry. When you have real minor leagues enabled then this will happen every season as the real minor leagues auto-adjust, nothing I can do here." Not a major problem, as i can still leave my "minor" leaguers in the reserve box until i get enough minors in the 1920's or 30's. Also, i'll have to associate a few teams in the Texas League, as only two were associated. Great game! Love the new trade options, when the assistant GM chimes in. Good job guys, and thanks for getting back to me so quickly. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

03-18-2016, 06:43 PM	#4
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,506	How can I play with historical transactions and lineups and also have historical minors? How can I start before 1919 and also have historical minors? __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

03-18-2016, 09:54 PM	#14
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	There is no historical minor league transaction database available. I am sure if you make one it can be included. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-18-2016, 10:55 PM	#16
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,534	It will be better to load 2015 and have Randomize Draft Classes on for 2016 and beyond Also for Historical Drafts in Historical League Histirical High School/College Teams because then like Barry Bonds could enter Draft when in High School. Also an option to own rights to a Draft Pick past signing deadline and sign all Draft Picks to a contract and if Draft is like at Winter Mertings lots of Trades could happen including Draft Picks. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

03-19-2016, 01:05 AM	#18
prisonerno6 Major Leagues Join Date: May 2014 Location: SW Florida Posts: 478	I have found out that when a Minor Leaguer retires he will appear the next year on the team he played for during that year. As you can see, Billy Goodman was traded in 1962, retired end of the 1962 season, and then appeared back within the Houston Organization since he played for the Durham Bulls in 1963. Last edited by prisonerno6; 03-02-2018 at 07:17 PM.

03-18-2016, 03:47 PM	#2
Orioles1966 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,869	What if the players were assigned to other teams?

03-18-2016, 06:46 PM	#5
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 17,008	Not possible to use both historical minors and historical lineups and transactions, swampdragon.

03-18-2016, 08:41 PM	#13
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 17,008	Well, you can still do a full MLB history with historical minors from 1919-Present. But you won't be able to run it with historical lineups and transactions. Not sure how the combination would work, to be honest. If you use real lineups and transactions, everyone who played in the MLB during a given season will be on the major league roster. Everyone who did not play in the MLB during that season will be relegated to the minor leagues. There will be no call-ups and send-downs. So, it kind of defeats the purpose of having minor leagues. Unless I'm missing the logic?

03-19-2016, 06:37 AM	#19
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,506	That's something I'd hoped to see. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

03-19-2016, 08:52 AM	#20
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,534	Create a League of let's say World Series Teams can Minor League Teams come to? I would take like 2015 Royals and add past Royals to the Team. I know it's much easier if I tryed and did Psst/Present Rays and Marlins Rosters. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!