Coaching suggestion

TheXumaker · 03-12-2016, 06:58 PM

This may have been asked before but, I have played some FHM 2 and noticed that coaches have ratings such as: coaching goalies, or coaching defense, etc. Will OOTP 17 have this, or will it be like last year where it won't give ratings for coachs

cavebutter · 03-12-2016, 09:06 PM

OOTP has actually evolved in the opposite direction. Versions 15 and lower had coach ratings as you describe. With version 16, the whole coaching ratings system went to reputation. There are still actual ratings beneath the hood (you can go into commissioner mode and look at a coach's ratings in the editor), but the feeling was that reputation was a more realistic measurement.

Reception of this change by the community has been mixed.

Personally, I don't mind it much except that I have very limited information when I want to take a HC from my minor league team and make him a Mgr somewhere else, I feel like I have much less good information to support my decision. I don't think there are plans to roll it back to the old way.

vegaspomeranians · 03-12-2016, 09:24 PM

I'd like the actual ratings shown for online leagues. I dislike that only the commish can see the ratings.

byzeil · 03-12-2016, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vegaspomeranians

I'd like the actual ratings shown for online leagues. I dislike that only the commish can see the ratings.

He only sees them if he goes into the editor and if your commish is going into the editor for that to get some sort of advantage there are much bigger things he can look at.

Honorable_Pawn · 03-13-2016, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cavebutter

OOTP has actually evolved in the opposite direction. Versions 15 and lower had coach ratings as you describe. With version 16, the whole coaching ratings system went to reputation. There are still actual ratings beneath the hood (you can go into commissioner mode and look at a coach's ratings in the editor), but the feeling was that reputation was a more realistic measurement.

Reception of this change by the community has been mixed.

Personally, I don't mind it much except that I have very limited information when I want to take a HC from my minor league team and make him a Mgr somewhere else, I feel like I have much less good information to support my decision. I don't think there are plans to roll it back to the old way.

I like what they have done hiding the ratings and I agree that more information should be provided to the player in order to make an informed hiring decision. Especially when hiring for the lower levels.

Honorable_Pawn · 03-13-2016, 10:01 AM

Suggestions:

Just because we can no longer see ratings doesn't mean that people who have dealt with this coach don't have opinions about that coach. Under the manager's general personality trait add information bars about what his players, his supervisor, and the local media think about his performance.

What do his players, his coaches, and the local media think about how he teaches hitting, teaches fielding, and his overall demeanor? These bars should not be fixed or static. They should be fluid and change with circumstances over time. They should trend upward as he gets more experience, if he is any good.

The Players bar should reflect a mixture of his actual rating, how his personality interacts with his player's personality, and whether the player is maximizing potential. The Supervisor bar should reflect a mixture of the actual results his players produce, his actual ratings, and how his personality interacts with the manager (supervisor). Lastly, The Local Media bar should reflect a mixture of his actual ratings, his reputation, and his overall personality.

vegaspomeranians · 03-14-2016, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by byzeil

He only sees them if he goes into the editor and if your commish is going into the editor for that to get some sort of advantage there are much bigger things he can look at.

Yes I know that a shady commish can look at player ratings and even edit players in his/her favor, but I'd like the commish in online leagues to be limited in what he/she can do when it comes down to players and personnel.

tejdog1 · 03-14-2016, 01:05 PM

I hated this change in 16. Flat out hated it.

cavebutter · 03-14-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

I hated this change in 16. Flat out hated it.

As I said, reception has been mixed.

03-12-2016, 06:58 PM	#1
TheXumaker Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: California Posts: 29	Coaching suggestion This may have been asked before but, I have played some FHM 2 and noticed that coaches have ratings such as: coaching goalies, or coaching defense, etc. Will OOTP 17 have this, or will it be like last year where it won't give ratings for coachs

03-12-2016, 09:06 PM	#2
cavebutter All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,163	OOTP has actually evolved in the opposite direction. Versions 15 and lower had coach ratings as you describe. With version 16, the whole coaching ratings system went to reputation. There are still actual ratings beneath the hood (you can go into commissioner mode and look at a coach's ratings in the editor), but the feeling was that reputation was a more realistic measurement. Reception of this change by the community has been mixed. Personally, I don't mind it much except that I have very limited information when I want to take a HC from my minor league team and make him a Mgr somewhere else, I feel like I have much less good information to support my decision. I don't think there are plans to roll it back to the old way. __________________ MySQL, MyStruggle - A self-indulgent blog about my attempts to roll my own MySQL Database with OOTP Logo Gallery

03-13-2016, 10:01 AM	#6
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	Suggestions: Just because we can no longer see ratings doesn't mean that people who have dealt with this coach don't have opinions about that coach. Under the manager's general personality trait add information bars about what his players, his supervisor, and the local media think about his performance. What do his players, his coaches, and the local media think about how he teaches hitting, teaches fielding, and his overall demeanor? These bars should not be fixed or static. They should be fluid and change with circumstances over time. They should trend upward as he gets more experience, if he is any good. The Players bar should reflect a mixture of his actual rating, how his personality interacts with his player's personality, and whether the player is maximizing potential. The Supervisor bar should reflect a mixture of the actual results his players produce, his actual ratings, and how his personality interacts with the manager (supervisor). Lastly, The Local Media bar should reflect a mixture of his actual ratings, his reputation, and his overall personality. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam. Last edited by Honorable_Pawn; 03-13-2016 at 04:18 PM.

03-14-2016, 01:05 PM	#8
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,654	I hated this change in 16. Flat out hated it. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

03-12-2016, 09:24 PM	#3
vegaspomeranians Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 109	I'd like the actual ratings shown for online leagues. I dislike that only the commish can see the ratings.