Are Player deaths going to be added?

Honorable_Pawn · 03-01-2016, 06:02 PM

Markus announced here on the 16 forums that player deaths would be added. To me it was a huge selling point. It is completely immersion-breaking that players live forever. It's not realistic. Quite frankly, it's dumb that players live forever.

So, I saw in another thread on the 17 forums that Markus had backpedaled to a "maybe-maybe not".

So does maybe mean no or does maybe mean yes?

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 03-01-2016, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

Markus announced here that player deaths would be added. To me it was a huge selling point. To me it is totally immersion breaking that players live forever. It's totally unrealistic and leaves great moments out of the game.

I saw in a another thread that Markus backpedaled to a maybe maybe not. So does maybe mean no or does maybe mean yes?

I think the whole argument is silly. Not to patronize or simplify anyone's argument, but realism and realistically people die. It's awful, sad, and everything but it happens. I think this game should illustrate that reality/truth. I'm on HP's side here.

jpeters1734 · 03-01-2016, 06:39 PM

i think it would be great for games that last several decades. The occasional star's passing would highlight his career again for a day.

ecd1973 · 03-01-2016, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

Markus announced here on the 16 forums that player deaths would be added. To me it was a huge selling point. It is completely immersion-breaking that players live forever. It's not realistic. Quite frankly, it's dumb that players live for ever.

So, I saw in another thread on the 17 forums that Markus had backpedaled to a "maybe-maybe not".

So does maybe mean no or does maybe mean yes?

Agree 100 percent. Owners already die, why wouldn't players / coaches / managers?

ThatSeventiesGuy · 03-01-2016, 07:27 PM

That's the thing I've always found weird about OOTP's death policy. Why is it okay for owners to die, but nobody else? Is it just because, as a rule, nobody likes owners, with a few exceptions (Bill Veeck comes to mind)? Whatever the reason, it seems a weird inconsistency. Either allow player deaths, or stop owners from dying.

Either way, it should be something you can turn on or off. For instance, in pure historicals, you wouldn't want anybody to die before they actually do. It's something for the development team to think about, anyway.

bwburke94 · 03-01-2016, 07:28 PM

If they're in, it will be through storylines (same as forced retirements) and may end up disabled in MLB games because of licensing requirements.

andrewv500 · 03-01-2016, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

If they're in, it will be through storylines (same as forced retirements) and may end up disabled in MLB games because of licensing requirements.

And based on a lot of the back and forth here recently it seems reasonable to surmise that if it can't be added to MLB it is unlikely to be added at all. Personally I would like to at least have the option to add it to my fictional games, and would completely understand if it could not be added to MLB games due to licensing. That actually makes sense to me.

That said it doesn't bother me that players live forever, I've taken it on as just one of a number of things I sort of look past as not game breaking and hope it will be added or fixed in a future release

TomVeal · 03-01-2016, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatSeventiesGuy

Is it just because, as a rule, nobody likes owners, with a few exceptions (Bill Veeck comes to mind)?

How Time has healed wounds! There's a reason why his autobiography was titled Veeck as in Wreck.

Lord PichuPal · 03-01-2016, 09:00 PM

I would like to see this feature as well, actually. It seems only natural to include it for retired players at least, because they aren't going to live forever. But having it happen once in a while (during fictional games anyway) as a storyline, like with owners, would be cool.

Déjà Bru · 03-01-2016, 09:16 PM

I remember in previous versions trying to edit the injuries.txt file to produce CEI with player deaths from stuff like accidents, violence, illness, etc. Rare, but it does happen IRL.

Death should be in the game for YOUNG players. It certainly should be in there for elderly ex-players.

Want the game to realistic, true to life? Death is part of life.

Padreman · 03-01-2016, 09:19 PM

You had active ball players get Killed in accidents throughout history

professor ape · 03-01-2016, 10:37 PM

I definitely feel it should be added for realism. I agree with a previous point that it would create a reason to highlight and celebrate the career of past players.

jdw31158 · 03-02-2016, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

I remember in previous versions trying to edit the injuries.txt file to produce CEI with player deaths from stuff like accidents, violence, illness, etc. Rare, but it does happen IRL.

Death should be in the game for YOUNG players. It certainly should be in there for elderly ex-players.

Want the game to realistic, true to life? Death is part of life.

I'd like to see this added also. I used to play Baseball Mogul before I discovered OOTP, and players do die in Mogul. They all die in their 80's and 90's, but they do die eventually. OOTP is much better and more in depth than Mogul, so this should be a part of the game.

jlemmen43 · 03-02-2016, 12:18 AM

It would be a nice element, but we still have our imaginations right?

ThatSeventiesGuy · 03-02-2016, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TomVeal

How Time has healed wounds! There's a reason why his autobiography was titled Veeck as in Wreck.

Well, his ballclubs were usually not very good, but he didn't skew everything towards deep-pocketed fans like most owners do today, so in retrospect, he looks pretty good by comparison.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-02-2016, 03:52 AM

Nope, will not happen in OOTP 17. This is more complicated that I thought.

Strick9 · 03-02-2016, 01:46 PM

I realize this isn't actually a player death in-game, but last night I was playing through my fictional league in OOTP 16 and had a league news story come up that a player's wife had died suddenly, and he was going to be out for a month for bereavement. The player was actually a top starting pitcher on a team in contention for the playoffs. And I just had to pause and take a moment, and say DAMN, that's some hard core immersion, right there.
I don't remember ever coming across that story line, before. And have never even considered actual player deaths being in game. But it's still amazing how much immersion those types of storylines add to the whole experience.

dave1927p · 03-02-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Strick9

I realize this isn't actually a player death in-game, but last night I was playing through my fictional league in OOTP 16 and had a league news story come up that a player's wife had died suddenly, and he was going to be out for a month for bereavement. The player was actually a top starting pitcher on a team in contention for the playoffs. And I just had to pause and take a moment, and say DAMN, that's some hard core immersion, right there.
I don't remember ever coming across that story line, before. And have never even considered actual player deaths being in game. But it's still amazing how much immersion those types of storylines add to the whole experience.

Or when your owner dies and the uncertainty of the new ownership's personality being so much different. Leads to some in game fun (but likely real world frustrating) times.

It would be quite immersive seeing HOF pass away with a news story of their career. Then that gives you pause to look through their great careers like you do in those scenarios in real life.

ecd1973 · 03-02-2016, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Nope, will not happen in OOTP 17. This is more complicated that I thought.

I was afraid of that but thanks for the response.

Stealcompany · 03-02-2016, 03:14 PM

Though the topic is morbid it would make playing a fantasy league through wartime more realistic.

03-01-2016, 06:02 PM	#1
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	Are Player deaths going to be added? Markus announced here on the 16 forums that player deaths would be added. To me it was a huge selling point. It is completely immersion-breaking that players live forever. It's not realistic. Quite frankly, it's dumb that players live forever. So, I saw in another thread on the 17 forums that Markus had backpedaled to a "maybe-maybe not". So does maybe mean no or does maybe mean yes? __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam. Last edited by Honorable_Pawn; 03-01-2016 at 07:27 PM.

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ThatSeventiesGuy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 3,424	That's the thing I've always found weird about OOTP's death policy. Why is it okay for owners to die, but nobody else? Is it just because, as a rule, nobody likes owners, with a few exceptions (Bill Veeck comes to mind)? Whatever the reason, it seems a weird inconsistency. Either allow player deaths, or stop owners from dying. Either way, it should be something you can turn on or off. For instance, in pure historicals, you wouldn't want anybody to die before they actually do. It's something for the development team to think about, anyway. __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...00&postcount=1

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Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,291	I remember in previous versions trying to edit the injuries.txt file to produce CEI with player deaths from stuff like accidents, violence, illness, etc. Rare, but it does happen IRL. Death should be in the game for YOUNG players. It certainly should be in there for elderly ex-players. Want the game to realistic, true to life? Death is part of life. __________________ - Bru

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Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,138	You had active ball players get Killed in accidents throughout history __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

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bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,499	If they're in, it will be through storylines (same as forced retirements) and may end up disabled in MLB games because of licensing requirements.

03-01-2016, 09:00 PM	#9
Lord PichuPal All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Michigan Posts: 585	I would like to see this feature as well, actually. It seems only natural to include it for retired players at least, because they aren't going to live forever. But having it happen once in a while (during fictional games anyway) as a storyline, like with owners, would be cool.

03-01-2016, 10:37 PM	#12
professor ape All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The belly of the beast Posts: 1,498	I definitely feel it should be added for realism. I agree with a previous point that it would create a reason to highlight and celebrate the career of past players.

03-02-2016, 12:18 AM	#14
jlemmen43 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 48	It would be a nice element, but we still have our imaginations right?

03-02-2016, 03:52 AM	#16
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	Nope, will not happen in OOTP 17. This is more complicated that I thought. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

03-02-2016, 01:46 PM	#17
Strick9 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Nashville Posts: 83	I realize this isn't actually a player death in-game, but last night I was playing through my fictional league in OOTP 16 and had a league news story come up that a player's wife had died suddenly, and he was going to be out for a month for bereavement. The player was actually a top starting pitcher on a team in contention for the playoffs. And I just had to pause and take a moment, and say DAMN, that's some hard core immersion, right there. I don't remember ever coming across that story line, before. And have never even considered actual player deaths being in game. But it's still amazing how much immersion those types of storylines add to the whole experience.

03-02-2016, 03:14 PM	#20
Stealcompany Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 291	Though the topic is morbid it would make playing a fantasy league through wartime more realistic.