Minor League Player Import Question

[baseballonly]

So since OOTP17 will have full minor league rosters, does this mean that historical players will import the year they were DRAFTED, not their rookie year, and with undeveloped talent? Right now it appears players get put in the draft pool their rookie season, already fully developed.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by baseballonly

So since OOTP17 will have full minor league rosters, does this mean that historical players will import the year they were DRAFTED, not their rookie year, and with undeveloped talent?

Yes, that's right

[Elysian Fields]

So players who are imported based on their rookie year should now be imported from the year they first played in the minors? Is that right? And before what year is it just their rookie year, like a Ty Cobb or Babe Ruth?

Thanks.

[Spritze]

Before 1919 or if they did not play in an affiliated league then their MLB rookie year as is now the case.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Spritze

I hope everyone realizes players are only their real team in year one . After that they go where the game AI or human player takes them.

Originally Posted by Bigrod

It's mostly earlier yrs. where the players start/end dates for each team they played for that year wasn't available is where they may start with the wrong team.
We use Stints (which are determined by the start and end dates they played for any given team) to determine which team a player starts with.

For example:
If Wright played for Binghamton from 4-7-2004 to 6-7-2004 and played for St. Lucie from 6-8-2004 to 9-3-2004
Stint 1 would be Binghamton and Stint 2 would be St. Lucie. So he would import with Binghamton.
Now if we didn't have dates, then this could be reversed depending on how well we guesstimated.
Hope this makes sense.

The above quotes (from separate threads I believe) lead me to believe that using (reasonable, if not 100% accurate) minor league historical transactions would be possible at some point - that the data exists in the MiLB database - but is just not yet coded as an option in OOTP yet.

In other words, since (a) minor-leaguers are imported to correct teams in the first year, therefore, the correct teams are known for every year, and b) stints are known (or reasonably guessed) for players who played for multiple teams, a reasonable MiLB historical txn file is possible.

Not yet known is whether, in OOTP17, we can play w MLB historical txns, whilst the minor-leaguers float around to "where the game AI or human player takes them."

Any truth in any of that, or am I lost on Hawaii's I-50?

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by thehef

In other words, since (a) minor-leaguers are imported to correct teams in the first year, therefore, the correct affiliated teams are known for every year, and b) stints are known (or reasonably guessed) for players who played for multiple teams, a reasonable MiLB historical txn file is possible.

It is possibly perhaps possible if someone had the hours to write the code that would pull all this together.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Spritze

It is possibly perhaps possible if someone had the hours to write the code that would pull all this together.

Right. Thinking of where OOTP was for 16 versions on historical minors - compared to where it is about to be for v17 - incrementally adding independent & unaffiliated leagues/teams and historical txns seems possible within the next few versions. Perhaps, incrementally speaking.

[Bigrod]

Pretty sure this will work and I'll have the data needed later this year...It can be pulled from the player's page, but a lot of stints will have to be guessed when there are no start end dates.
Most likely for these instances it'll have to be moving from lower level to higher if the player played in diff. lgs. For lgs that are considered same level and have more than 1 affiliated team...it'll be random.
For Example 2 affiliates in same lg.:
Let's say a MLB team has 2 minor lg. affiliates in AA. In this case the player may start on tm. 1 and then move to tm. 2 or vice versa depending on how well I guess.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Bigrod

Pretty sure this will work and I'll have the data needed later this year...It can be pulled from the player's page, but a lot of stints will have to be guessed when there are no start end dates.
Most likely for these instances it'll have to be moving from lower level to higher if the player played in diff. lgs. For lgs that are considered same level and have more than 1 affiliated team...it'll be random.
For Example 2 affiliates in same lg.:
Let's say a MLB team has 2 minor lg. affiliates in AA. In this case the player may start on tm. 1 and then move to tm. 2 or vice versa depending on how well I guess.

That would be awesome. Nothing wrong with guesses and randomness, as you've described, IMO.

I would think that if/when something like this is introduced, it would be more important for the historical txns for non-affiliated teams & career minor-leaguers to be in place (with all appropriate guesses and necessary randomness), because for affiliated teams, most gamers would want the AI or human GM to determine where/at what level in the organization the player should be - based upon OOTP (and not real-life) development.

In other words, I don't mind if in my sim Steve Garvey takes a similar path through the minors as he did in real life, but I'd prefer that he rise through the minors at rate and on a path that is dictated by his sim development (I don't want him forced to AAA if in the game he's struggling in AA)... Historical tnxs for those minor-leaguers who made the majors IRL would primarily be important from the perspective of when they changed major-league organizations.

A bit complicated, the more one contemplates it... At any rate, a fun goal for the future...

[baseballonly]

Will fully developed international FAs like Ichiro and Tanaka be put into the game as free agents and not into the draft pool?