What category of player do I fall under?

Caporegime · 02-22-2016, 12:25 PM

All this talk about the Usage Tracker has got me wondering where in the OOTP universe do my stars and superstars go supernova or simply collapse upon themselves and become black holes.

I selected "Historical" in the player poll someone linked to here simply because that's where I always start, somewhere in the past. However, I seldom do straight up historical sims. I've always found that playing that way produces nothing but extreme expectations, so when Roger Maris doesn't hit 61 in '61 (which he has never done in any straight historical sim I've ever done), I feel cheated and end up micromanaging everything (editing lifetime player stats, tweaking ability and potential ratings, etc.) until I feel satisfied with the results.

What I prefer doing instead is starting my historical sims at some point in the past (depending on what type of music I feel like listening to) and then turning off player recalc and setting the TCR rating to 200. Once I do that, for reasons I can't really explain, it's no longer an historical simulation in my mind and I welcome if not eagerly anticipate ahistorical outcomes, and OOTP has never disappointed.

I've had games where Hank Aaron only hit 260 career HR's while Rick Bladt hit 500+ (who? I know, right?

), Sandy Koufax blew his arm out at 20, while Scipio Spinks (He's not a Roman general. I checked.) pitched well into his 40s winning 300+ games. It's like an historical fiction simulation without the fictional players, or where the real players are simply surrogates for fictional players, if that makes any sense.

I'm absolutely hooked on playing this way and can't wait to see the whacky results that OOTP 17 will produce under these settings with 100,000 historical minor leaguers to randomize. Maybe Joe Bauman can hit 70 homers in the majors, or John Elway become every much the icon in The Bronx as an RF that he became in Denver as a QB, and so on.

T-Bone · 02-22-2016, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Caporegime

or John Elway become every much the icon in The Bronx as an RF that he became in Denver as a QB, and so on.

This could be fascinating

Matt Arnold · 02-22-2016, 03:15 PM

That's why we definitely don't take the usage stats as gospel, and try to make the game as good as possible for everyone.

David Watts · 02-22-2016, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

That's why we definitely don't take the usage stats as gospel, and try to make the game as good as possible for everyone.

Looking at my usage stats must be like holding a conversation with Sybil...

gentlemanofleisure · 02-22-2016, 03:20 PM

I play historical fiction. Fictional teams that draft real players. It will be fun to be able to draft real minor leaguers too. Like Brien Taylor and Michael Jordan.

phillyboy19 · 02-22-2016, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gentlemanofleisure

I play historical fiction. Fictional teams that draft real players. It will be fun to be able to draft real minor leaguers too. Like Brien Taylor and Michael Jordan.

I do that to. Bob Walk is a legend in my league, and I got him round 4 in the draft (15 rounds).

dave1927p · 02-22-2016, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

That's why we definitely don't take the usage stats as gospel, and try to make the game as good as possible for everyone.

No matter where you go, with anything baseball you simply can't get away from the Sabermetrics vs. Traditional debate.

jazzrack · 02-22-2016, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Caporegime

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I call it fictoral

swoboda · 02-23-2016, 12:19 AM

I always have one game going where I start with historical pre-1980 WS teams and then fill their weakest roster spots with top modern day players from the same franchise imported as free agents.
Is that historical ?
How about modern history?

slic1149 · 02-23-2016, 12:48 AM

I play with recalc on, I enjoy 50s through 90s baseball and almost always start my career with a team from one of those decades. In addition I always start with free agency and arbitration. In the case of the fifties, sixties, and early 70s I extend both by two years. This allows plenty of player churn while keeping the salaries at an acceptable level and there are still players who will play their entire career with the same team.

In my case I always play a 25 year career and manage and general manage my team. This allows me to set the overall strategy, handle roster moves, and set lineups and pitching staffs. Then I let my bench coach manage. I give him control to improvise and leave him alone if he is winning. I play out about 10 regular season games a season, and any playoffs. I sim day to day using the tick mark and leave email as my home screen during a play session to handle anything that comes up.

Based on this pretty broad definition of the way I play. Usually, I will take one player and manage his career. In my current league I took over the 54 Indians and built the franchise around Roger Maris instead of trading him. I like picking out specific players and trying to get them through trade. The kicker is I don't play with players from other eras. It is my universe, but it is still based on the reality of the times.

actionjackson · 02-23-2016, 02:04 PM

I play historical with random debut players, but I tie my LTMs, PCMs, and Strategy Settings to 1984. So what the heck is that? It's kind of historical in that the historical MLB setup is being used throughout, but it's kind of fictional in that nobody but nobody hit 30-40 HR in the deadball era.

One thing I do know...It's not Modern MLB.

David Watts · 02-23-2016, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

I play historical with random debut players, but I tie my LTMs, PCMs, and Strategy Settings to 1984. So what the heck is that? It's kind of historical in that the historical MLB setup is being used throughout, but it's kind of fictional in that nobody but nobody hit 30-40 HR in the deadball era.

One thing I do know...It's not Modern MLB

I'm random debut too. I started my league in 1946, 12 teams 1 subleague. Expanded to 14 teams in 1957 and to 16 teams in the early 80's. I just started the 1986 season last night. I let the game import statistical modifiers and strategies according to history until the completion of 1984. I will use 84 from this point on. My teams are fictional creations using uniforms and logos from the nickname project. I don't manage or gm. I sim April and May and watch a random game everyday from June 1st to the end of the season.

When I feel I need a break from this to refresh myself, I simply start a fictional league or a historical league and play it till I miss my main league too much. I'm so glad OOTP offers so many ways to play. Heck the dynasty section of this forum is almost a good as the game itself. If all we had was Modern we wouldn't have those pesky Raccoons. Or TyCobbia or Ruthlandia, or Any Given Sunday, or worst to first, or Rpriske's Supurbas, or the Metro Leagues. Anyone remember the guy that used write that White Sox Dynasty. Wow!

02-22-2016, 12:25 PM	#1
Caporegime All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Borough of Kings Posts: 1,713	What category of player do I fall under? All this talk about the Usage Tracker has got me wondering where in the OOTP universe do my stars and superstars go supernova or simply collapse upon themselves and become black holes. I selected "Historical" in the player poll someone linked to here simply because that's where I always start, somewhere in the past. However, I seldom do straight up historical sims. I've always found that playing that way produces nothing but extreme expectations, so when Roger Maris doesn't hit 61 in '61 (which he has never done in any straight historical sim I've ever done), I feel cheated and end up micromanaging everything (editing lifetime player stats, tweaking ability and potential ratings, etc.) until I feel satisfied with the results. What I prefer doing instead is starting my historical sims at some point in the past (depending on what type of music I feel like listening to) and then turning off player recalc and setting the TCR rating to 200. Once I do that, for reasons I can't really explain, it's no longer an historical simulation in my mind and I welcome if not eagerly anticipate ahistorical outcomes, and OOTP has never disappointed. I've had games where Hank Aaron only hit 260 career HR's while Rick Bladt hit 500+ (who? I know, right? ), Sandy Koufax blew his arm out at 20, while Scipio Spinks (He's not a Roman general. I checked.) pitched well into his 40s winning 300+ games. It's like an historical fiction simulation without the fictional players, or where the real players are simply surrogates for fictional players, if that makes any sense. I'm absolutely hooked on playing this way and can't wait to see the whacky results that OOTP 17 will produce under these settings with 100,000 historical minor leaguers to randomize. Maybe Joe Bauman can hit 70 homers in the majors, or John Elway become every much the icon in The Bronx as an RF that he became in Denver as a QB, and so on. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going, you'll wind up someplace else." - Lawrence Peter Berra

02-23-2016, 12:19 AM	#9
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,230	I always have one game going where I start with historical pre-1980 WS teams and then fill their weakest roster spots with top modern day players from the same franchise imported as free agents. Is that historical ? How about modern history? __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

02-23-2016, 12:48 AM	#10
slic1149 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 348	I play with recalc on, I enjoy 50s through 90s baseball and almost always start my career with a team from one of those decades. In addition I always start with free agency and arbitration. In the case of the fifties, sixties, and early 70s I extend both by two years. This allows plenty of player churn while keeping the salaries at an acceptable level and there are still players who will play their entire career with the same team. In my case I always play a 25 year career and manage and general manage my team. This allows me to set the overall strategy, handle roster moves, and set lineups and pitching staffs. Then I let my bench coach manage. I give him control to improvise and leave him alone if he is winning. I play out about 10 regular season games a season, and any playoffs. I sim day to day using the tick mark and leave email as my home screen during a play session to handle anything that comes up. Based on this pretty broad definition of the way I play. Usually, I will take one player and manage his career. In my current league I took over the 54 Indians and built the franchise around Roger Maris instead of trading him. I like picking out specific players and trying to get them through trade. The kicker is I don't play with players from other eras. It is my universe, but it is still based on the reality of the times. __________________ To laugh often and love much, to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others, to give one's self, this is to have succeeded. - Ralph Waldo Emerson Last edited by slic1149; 02-23-2016 at 12:50 AM.

02-23-2016, 02:04 PM	#11
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,179	I play historical with random debut players, but I tie my LTMs, PCMs, and Strategy Settings to 1984. So what the heck is that? It's kind of historical in that the historical MLB setup is being used throughout, but it's kind of fictional in that nobody but nobody hit 30-40 HR in the deadball era. One thing I do know...It's not Modern MLB. Last edited by actionjackson; 02-23-2016 at 02:09 PM.

02-22-2016, 03:15 PM	#3
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,216	That's why we definitely don't take the usage stats as gospel, and try to make the game as good as possible for everyone.

02-22-2016, 03:20 PM	#5
gentlemanofleisure Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 197	I play historical fiction. Fictional teams that draft real players. It will be fun to be able to draft real minor leaguers too. Like Brien Taylor and Michael Jordan.