Smarter, more cunning AI GMs - Page 2

rjl518 · 02-19-2016, 12:22 PM

so I can expect deals like..."What? Miguel Cabrera? We don't need him!" says the MIA Marlins!

Sweed · 02-19-2016, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Hopefully the AI will offer more realistic trades

At the very least, the AI has more awareness of their situation so shouldn't offer you trades against their self-interest.

But mostly, all the GMs now have something like 10 new ratings, everything from a trading frequency to their own evaluation methods, so mostly instead of playing against the "OOTP AI" controlling all 30 teams, you now face 30 unique GMs. So if you're lucky, your league will have 29 Ruben Amaro's you have to face off against. If you're unlucky, you might have 29 Theo Epsteins.

How will or will this work in an imported league?

Will GM's in an imported league have these ratings randomly created?

Will we have to delete current office personnel and create new ones to have this feature in an imported game? Is that even possible?

ohv · 02-19-2016, 12:40 PM

Proud of myself. Smart and Cunning mentioned in topic and first (or second) example of New gms is Ruben Amaro

OzzieFan · 02-19-2016, 12:56 PM

So if the game actually can simulate GM behavior... The Theo Epstein Gm will sign players based on pissing off division rivals rather than whether its actually the best signing for the team?

Matt Arnold · 02-19-2016, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

How will or will this work in an imported league?

Will GM's in an imported league have these ratings randomly created?

Will we have to delete current office personnel and create new ones to have this feature in an imported game? Is that even possible?

Their ratings for the new stats will be generated on import, so yeah, they'll essentially be randomized.

Matt Arnold · 02-19-2016, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OzzieFan

So if the game actually can simulate GM behavior... The Theo Epstein Gm will sign players based on pissing off division rivals rather than whether its actually the best signing for the team?

Okay, we're not *that* precise on mimicking real GM behaviour. Maybe next year

The Wolf · 02-19-2016, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

A little bit off topic but in regards to the AI what about hoarding players? I noticed sometimes during free agency AI Half superstar players in certain positions and then they sign another superstar player in the same position for free agency in some cases they do that with a few different positions so they have an entire team including bench players of superstars little bench players are not getting played that much

This x100.

The Wolf · 02-19-2016, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rjl518

so I can expect deals like..."What? Miguel Cabrera? We don't need him!" says the MIA Marlins!

They already had him once.

lightgrenade07 · 02-19-2016, 01:15 PM

Okay, I have to admit...this sounds VERY intriguing.

I wasn't that excited about the increased minor leaguers and face gen, since I almost always do fictional simming so it's not like I benefit from those features. The new GM model, however, looks like it's going to add a lot of richness to the game for people like me who prefer to play GM, trading/signing/drafting without managing each individual game.

MizzouRah · 02-19-2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OzzieFan

So if the game actually can simulate GM behavior... The Theo Epstein Gm will sign players based on pissing off division rivals rather than whether its actually the best signing for the team?

Cubs fired him in 2019 in my game.

Now he's with Texas.

geoffmatt17 · 02-19-2016, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Hopefully the AI will offer more realistic trades

At the very least, the AI has more awareness of their situation so shouldn't offer you trades against their self-interest.

But mostly, all the GMs now have something like 10 new ratings, everything from a trading frequency to their own evaluation methods, so mostly instead of playing against the "OOTP AI" controlling all 30 teams, you now face 30 unique GMs. So if you're lucky, your league will have 29 Ruben Amaro's you have to face off against. If you're unlucky, you might have 29 Theo Epsteins.

I assume human GMs get these traits too? An fun and interesting wrinkle for online leagues..

thirdsaint · 02-19-2016, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OzzieFan

So if the game actually can simulate GM behavior... The Theo Epstein Gm will sign players based on pissing off division rivals rather than whether its actually the best signing for the team?

Wouldn't be baseball if he didn't!

SirMichaelJordan · 02-20-2016, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

The AI is already trying to prevent that. Not sure why you're seeing this in your league, maybe that teams has too much cash and gets crazy. It has happened in real life, too.

This is/was a problem specifically with catchers & First basemen. Teams seem to sign 2-3 catchers or first basemen that are capable of starting and overpays them. Its not a thing where one team decide to make this roster move its league wide. I am a few patches behind so I am not sure if this is still a thing in 16. Praying that its gone in 17.

Honorable_Pawn · 02-20-2016, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Hopefully the AI will offer more realistic trades

At the very least, the AI has more awareness of their situation so shouldn't offer you trades against their self-interest.

But mostly, all the GMs now have something like 10 new ratings, everything from a trading frequency to their own evaluation methods, so mostly instead of playing against the "OOTP AI" controlling all 30 teams, you now face 30 unique GMs. So if you're lucky, your league will have 29 Ruben Amaro's you have to face off against. If you're unlucky, you might have 29 Theo Epsteins.

Good ****, Holmes.

Honorable_Pawn · 02-20-2016, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OzzieFan

My biggest want is a trading engine where teams will trade off their older talent at the trade deadline. As of edition 16 it is still really hard to get older players with big contracts from bad teams at that time of the year.

This.

r0nster · 02-20-2016, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

But they already had Victor Martinez as their DH, although he was injured the year they signed Fielder. But they signed Fielder to a multi-year deal, which made less sense considering.

Tigers had one thing to their advantage. Caberra was origionally a 3B and adding Fielder was a no brainer by keeping him at first and moving Caberra to third. If I recall correctly Martinez was on a year long disabled list at the time with plans to keep him as a DH and 3rd backup catcher. To me it was a good pickup and smart thinking or planning ahead.

rjl518 · 02-20-2016, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

They already had him once.

I know. Would have been nice if we had kept him. But mr. loria, MIA Marlins owner, baseball genius that he is, said lets trade him to the DET Tigers.

Brilliant!!!

Winnipeg59 · 02-20-2016, 11:53 AM

Not to derail this thread but does...

"Smarter, more cunning AI GMs and managers, with individualized personal approaches to roster-building, scouting, and finances"

...also mean that the AI regarding negotiations with both free agents and extension contracts (which I realize is more "player-oriented" than GM and Mgr) has also seen some love?

drowssap · 02-21-2016, 10:02 AM

How about when shopping a player, the AI offering more than a 1 for 1 trade? Or when initiating a trade, asking for 1 player that makes it work as opposed to maybe a combination of 2 or 3?

Padreman · 02-21-2016, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Okay, we're not *that* precise on mimicking real GM behaviour. Maybe next year

Matt please change you're profile picture OOTP 16 is so last year

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02-19-2016, 01:15 PM	#29
lightgrenade07 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: SoCal, for now Posts: 239	Okay, I have to admit...this sounds VERY intriguing. I wasn't that excited about the increased minor leaguers and face gen, since I almost always do fictional simming so it's not like I benefit from those features. The new GM model, however, looks like it's going to add a lot of richness to the game for people like me who prefer to play GM, trading/signing/drafting without managing each individual game. __________________ SELL THE TEAM!

02-19-2016, 12:40 PM	#23
ohv Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 28	Proud of myself. Smart and Cunning mentioned in topic and first (or second) example of New gms is Ruben Amaro

02-19-2016, 12:56 PM	#24
OzzieFan Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Exton, PA Posts: 248	So if the game actually can simulate GM behavior... The Theo Epstein Gm will sign players based on pissing off division rivals rather than whether its actually the best signing for the team?

02-20-2016, 11:53 AM	#38
Winnipeg59 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,042	Not to derail this thread but does... "Smarter, more cunning AI GMs and managers, with individualized personal approaches to roster-building, scouting, and finances" ...also mean that the AI regarding negotiations with both free agents and extension contracts (which I realize is more "player-oriented" than GM and Mgr) has also seen some love?

02-21-2016, 10:02 AM	#39
drowssap Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 128	How about when shopping a player, the AI offering more than a 1 for 1 trade? Or when initiating a trade, asking for 1 player that makes it work as opposed to maybe a combination of 2 or 3?