Smarter, more cunning AI GMs

ohv · 02-19-2016, 09:42 AM

From the announcement:

"Smarter, more cunning AI GMs and managers, with individualized personal approaches to roster-building, scouting, and finances"

So any sneak peak what has been added when compared to v16. Do GM's have more "traits" which define how they handle their team etc?

Markus Heinsohn · 02-19-2016, 10:05 AM

Yes. Matt will explain this a bit more once he sees this thread

joefromchicago · 02-19-2016, 10:07 AM

They will be "Blackadder Cunning"

fredjstanley · 02-19-2016, 10:24 AM

The game and new features look awesome, already very excited! Looking forward to hearing more about the AI trading as this is one area that was occasionally frustrating in OOTP 16.

- Will the AI offer more realistic trades?

- When shopping a player will you be able to receive offers including multiple players and/or cash, as opposed to just one player? This would be very useful when rebuilding (i.e the Phillies trade of Hamels last year when they sought multiple prospects in return)

Can't wait to pre-order and play the game!

thirdsaint · 02-19-2016, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yes. Matt will explain this a bit more once he sees this thread

I had a feeling you guys would address this because in OOTP16 the GM's have bare bones pages where you can't tell how good one is from another. There wasn't good detailed information or rating sliders on their tendencies like with coaches. I'm certainly happy about this.

Cryomaniac · 02-19-2016, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by joefromchicago

They will be "Blackadder Cunning"

Wibble!

Matt Arnold · 02-19-2016, 11:14 AM

Hopefully the AI will offer more realistic trades

At the very least, the AI has more awareness of their situation so shouldn't offer you trades against their self-interest.

But mostly, all the GMs now have something like 10 new ratings, everything from a trading frequency to their own evaluation methods, so mostly instead of playing against the "OOTP AI" controlling all 30 teams, you now face 30 unique GMs. So if you're lucky, your league will have 29 Ruben Amaro's you have to face off against. If you're unlucky, you might have 29 Theo Epsteins.

OzzieFan · 02-19-2016, 11:16 AM

My biggest want is a trading engine where teams will trade off their older talent at the trade deadline. As of edition 16 it is still really hard to get older players with big contracts from bad teams at that time of the year.

Padreman · 02-19-2016, 11:17 AM

A little bit off topic but in regards to the AI what about hoarding players? I noticed sometimes during free agency AI Half superstar players in certain positions and then they sign another superstar player in the same position for free agency in some cases they do that with a few different positions so they have an entire team including bench players of superstars little bench players are not getting played that much

frank_olaf · 02-19-2016, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fredjstanley

The game and new features look awesome, already very excited! Looking forward to hearing more about the AI trading as this is one area that was occasionally frustrating in OOTP 16.

- Will the AI offer more realistic trades?

- When shopping a player will you be able to receive offers including multiple players and/or cash, as opposed to just one player? This would be very useful when rebuilding (i.e the Phillies trade of Hamels last year when they sought multiple prospects in return)

Can't wait to pre-order and play the game!

Further to point 2, will the AI offer players that aren't on the 40 man roster?

Thanks

Markus Heinsohn · 02-19-2016, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

A little bit off topic but in regards to the AI what about hoarding players? I noticed sometimes during free agency AI Half superstar players in certain positions and then they sign another superstar player in the same position for free agency in some cases they do that with a few different positions so they have an entire team including bench players of superstars little bench players are not getting played that much

The AI is already trying to prevent that. Not sure why you're seeing this in your league, maybe that teams has too much cash and gets crazy. It has happened in real life, too.

OzzieFan · 02-19-2016, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

The AI is already trying to prevent that. Not sure why you're seeing this in your league, maybe that teams has too much cash and gets crazy. It has happened in real life, too.

Just wish i could get some of that to infect St Louis Cardinals management who refuse to spend their hoardes of cash on players they aren't 100% on.

Orcin · 02-19-2016, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OzzieFan

Just wish i could get some of that to infect St Louis Cardinals management who refuse to spend their hoardes of cash on players they aren't 100% on.

You mean the same Cardinals management that offered $200 million to Jason Heyward?

OzzieFan · 02-19-2016, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

You mean the same Cardinals management that offered $200 million to Jason Heyward?

Yep... and also about the same to David Price. And then pocketing all that money they didn't spend aside from a Mike Leake contract.

T.J. Lauerman · 02-19-2016, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

A little bit off topic but in regards to the AI what about hoarding players? I noticed sometimes during free agency AI Half superstar players in certain positions and then they sign another superstar player in the same position for free agency in some cases they do that with a few different positions so they have an entire team including bench players of superstars little bench players are not getting played that much

Like when the Tigers had Miguel Cabrera and were like "Hey, this Prince Fielder kid seems good"?

Padreman · 02-19-2016, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by T.J. Lauerman

Like when the Tigers had Miguel Cabrera and were like "Hey, this Prince Fielder kid seems good"?

Yeah that's true I do recall Yankees doing the same from time to time

MizzouRah · 02-19-2016, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OzzieFan

Yep... and also about the same to David Price. And then pocketing all that money they didn't spend aside from a Mike Leake contract.

Why overpay? I believe what they do has been working well for quite some time now.

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 02-19-2016, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by T.J. Lauerman

Like when the Tigers had Miguel Cabrera and were like "Hey, this Prince Fielder kid seems good"?

To be fair that was in the AL with the DH so it's slightly different.

OakDragon · 02-19-2016, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

A little bit off topic but in regards to the AI what about hoarding players? I noticed sometimes during free agency AI Half superstar players in certain positions and then they sign another superstar player in the same position for free agency in some cases they do that with a few different positions so they have an entire team including bench players of superstars little bench players are not getting played that much

Sounds like a human player to me.

eriqjaffe · 02-19-2016, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DustinthePOWERHOUSE

To be fair that was in the AL with the DH so it's slightly different.

But they already had Victor Martinez as their DH, although he was injured the year they signed Fielder. But they signed Fielder to a multi-year deal, which made less sense considering.

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fredjstanley Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 18	The game and new features look awesome, already very excited! Looking forward to hearing more about the AI trading as this is one area that was occasionally frustrating in OOTP 16. - Will the AI offer more realistic trades? - When shopping a player will you be able to receive offers including multiple players and/or cash, as opposed to just one player? This would be very useful when rebuilding (i.e the Phillies trade of Hamels last year when they sought multiple prospects in return) Can't wait to pre-order and play the game!

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Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,827	Hopefully the AI will offer more realistic trades At the very least, the AI has more awareness of their situation so shouldn't offer you trades against their self-interest. But mostly, all the GMs now have something like 10 new ratings, everything from a trading frequency to their own evaluation methods, so mostly instead of playing against the "OOTP AI" controlling all 30 teams, you now face 30 unique GMs. So if you're lucky, your league will have 29 Ruben Amaro's you have to face off against. If you're unlucky, you might have 29 Theo Epsteins.

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OzzieFan Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Exton, PA Posts: 248	My biggest want is a trading engine where teams will trade off their older talent at the trade deadline. As of edition 16 it is still really hard to get older players with big contracts from bad teams at that time of the year.