Ethnicities

BKL · 02-04-2016, 01:14 AM

I noticed in the ethnicities file in the database folder, it shows the following: "0,U.S. (Modern),400,10,10,500,80)" Based on the header in the file, I believe this to mean that the typical ethnic breakdown is 40% African, 1% Asian, 1% East Asian, 50% Caucasian, and 8% Hispanic. Am I looking at that correctly, and does that represent the breakdown of the typical default fictional league?

The reason I ask is that the percentages in real MLB are much different, with only about 10% - 20% African and a much higher percentage to Caucasian and Hispanic.

In an existing league, I assume these numbers represent ethnicity of new player creations...am I looking at the correctly?

Kent814 · 02-04-2016, 01:39 AM

Some hispanic players have african facegen because theyre darker than the hispanic face gen like yasiel puig i think has an African face gen also any black players have the african facegen

NolaSola7 · 02-04-2016, 01:41 AM

Sorry, no idea .. but your thougts make sense..... but just a comment,

Since you bring it up .... You would think after several years of OOTP, that they'd have done a better job around ethnicities....

fx, the fact that I have to always change Mexicans from dark to either light or indian .... is something I have always done, but MAN! would it be nice if they just got it right to start with!

Cryomaniac · 02-04-2016, 03:20 PM

There really should be more than 40 ethnicities. I've been advocating for 256 for ages, even if some are blank by default.

Padreman · 02-04-2016, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

There really should be more than 40 ethnicities. I've been advocating for 256 for ages, even if some are blank by default.

40? I don't see 40 in the game I only see the family what is it four or five races Asian black Hispanic caucasian Indian. Or are you referring to the nationalities?

DB930 · 02-04-2016, 03:52 PM

We really need dedicated language/ethnicities for the various Latin American countries, rather than just lumping them all into "Hispanic". Considering that that's where ~30% of current MLB players come from, it's crazy that we can't get specific options for Dominican, Mexican, Cuban, etc., but we CAN get Serbian, Albanian, Azerbaijan, and other countries where you'd probably have trouble finding 10 people who've even seen a baseball game...

BKL · 02-04-2016, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

40? I don't see 40 in the game I only see the family what is it four or five races Asian black Hispanic caucasian Indian. Or are you referring to the nationalities?

I guess my real question is, what does the ethnicities file actually do? If you put 500 white, 300 African American, 200 Hispanic...what does that actually do? Does it only matter in an inaugural draft, or is it for all player creation thereafter, etc.?

Cryomaniac · 02-04-2016, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

40? I don't see 40 in the game I only see the family what is it four or five races Asian black Hispanic caucasian Indian. Or are you referring to the nationalities?

Yeah, I got a bit confused between the two. There do need to be more than 5 races though.

Padreman · 02-04-2016, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Yeah, I got a bit confused between the two. There do need to be more than 5 races though.

I agree I would have
Caucasian-Euro
Caucasian-Americas
Caucasian-Hispanic
African
African-American
African-Islander
AfricanEuro
Asian-Southeast
Asian-Central
Asian-Islander
Pacific Islander
middle Eastern
Jewish
Hindi
Hispanic-Mix
Hispanic-Dark
Aboriginal
Native American

At least

Bluenoser · 02-04-2016, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BKL

I guess my real question is, what does the ethnicities file actually do? If you put 500 white, 300 African American, 200 Hispanic...what does that actually do? Does it only matter in an inaugural draft, or is it for all player creation thereafter, etc.?

Basically it does exactly that. Controls the ethnicities for your players, draft included.

For example - I did a fictional Negro League once in the 20's and set the African to 1000 and the rest to zero. I always had negro players, never any other ethnicity.

The hard part is getting names right. You can create a custom name file or edit them as created (which I did because it was a small league (8 teams) and small draft (5 rnds).

BKL · 02-04-2016, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Basically it does exactly that. Controls the ethnicities for your players, draft included.

For example - I did a fictional Negro League once in the 20's and set the African to 1000 and the rest to zero. I always had negro players, never any other ethnicity.

The hard part is getting names right. You can create a custom name file or edit them as created (which I did because it was a small league (8 teams) and small draft (5 rnds).

What do you mean? What does this file have to do with the names? How is the ethnicity file linked/influences the names?

Bluenoser · 02-04-2016, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BKL

What do you mean? What does this file have to do with the names? How is the ethnicity file linked/influences the names?

It has nothing to do with the names, I just mentioned that as an aside.

I should have been clearer, apologies.

NolaSola7 · 02-04-2016, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

I agree I would have
Caucasian-Euro
Caucasian-Americas
Caucasian-Hispanic
African
African-American
African-Islander
AfricanEuro
Asian-Southeast
Asian-Central
Asian-Islander
Pacific Islander
middle Eastern
Jewish
Hindi
Hispanic-Mix
Hispanic-Dark
Aboriginal
Native American

At least

I have no idea where you are going with some of these....

African Islander??? Carribean? **note** when are they going to add long hair and dreadlocks???

African-Euro???? Why this when already having African

Why Caucasian Euro and Caucasian American????

Are we talking names... then makes more sense.. but if faces... not sure yours is an improvement if I am honest

But like that we agree that this could be much better

BKL · 02-04-2016, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

It has nothing to do with the names, I just mentioned that as an aside.

I should have been clearer, apologies.

So will the names still appear to be ethnically correct? For example, if I double the Asian players created, will the Asian players also have Asian-like names?

Padreman · 02-04-2016, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BKL

So will the names still appear to be ethnically correct? For example, if I double the Asian players created, will the Asian players also have Asian-like names?

I think the issue is if you set it for all African you will get ALL not just American names but names
From various countries in Africa likewise with Asian you will get Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese ect

Kent814 · 02-04-2016, 09:42 PM

well their are some guys whose ethnicity doesn't match their name

Bluenoser · 02-04-2016, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BKL

So will the names still appear to be ethnically correct? For example, if I double the Asian players created, will the Asian players also have Asian-like names?

Well, you can set % for which languages last names are drawn from in the Nation Editor. So I could set it to only African, but what I was trying to do was use traditional negro names for the era. My league was USA based, so I wanted American names in there too. I researched them so I could make any modifications necessary when the draft pool was revealed.

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BKL · 02-05-2016, 09:49 PM

What I want to do is just have more Hispanics in the league, with most of them having appropriate names. So based on this discussion, I assume if I just edit the ethnicity file to have more Hispanics then there will be more created, with appropriate names and skin color. Basically, I just want to make sure that "most" of the names seem appropriate...I don't mind if a few are off.

So will just editing the ethnicity file do the job? There's really a lot of feedback here about editing the names file, editing the nations file, etc. but all I'm trying to do is have more Hispanics enter the league over time, and I want those players to - for the most part (not 100% per se) - have reasonable names, and look Hispanic. I'm not looking for it to be perfect, just reasonable.

Will simply editing the ethnicity file do the trick?

Thanks!

02-04-2016, 01:14 AM	#1
BKL All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 931	Ethnicities I noticed in the ethnicities file in the database folder, it shows the following: "0,U.S. (Modern),400,10,10,500,80)" Based on the header in the file, I believe this to mean that the typical ethnic breakdown is 40% African, 1% Asian, 1% East Asian, 50% Caucasian, and 8% Hispanic. Am I looking at that correctly, and does that represent the breakdown of the typical default fictional league? The reason I ask is that the percentages in real MLB are much different, with only about 10% - 20% African and a much higher percentage to Caucasian and Hispanic. In an existing league, I assume these numbers represent ethnicity of new player creations...am I looking at the correctly? Last edited by BKL; 02-04-2016 at 01:15 AM.

02-04-2016, 01:41 AM	#3
NolaSola7 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Aarhus, Denmark Posts: 1,932	Sorry, no idea .. but your thougts make sense..... but just a comment, Since you bring it up .... You would think after several years of OOTP, that they'd have done a better job around ethnicities.... fx, the fact that I have to always change Mexicans from dark to either light or indian .... is something I have always done, but MAN! would it be nice if they just got it right to start with! __________________ Intercontinental League: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=316668 PBL Uniform 1956-on : http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3965791 GET THEM & USE THEM: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3967601 FHM2: Report http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-call-iha.html

02-04-2016, 03:20 PM	#4
Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	There really should be more than 40 ethnicities. I've been advocating for 256 for ages, even if some are blank by default. __________________

02-04-2016, 01:39 AM	#2
Kent814 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: San Diego Posts: 650	Some hispanic players have african facegen because theyre darker than the hispanic face gen like yasiel puig i think has an African face gen also any black players have the african facegen

02-04-2016, 03:52 PM	#6
DB930 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 302	We really need dedicated language/ethnicities for the various Latin American countries, rather than just lumping them all into "Hispanic". Considering that that's where ~30% of current MLB players come from, it's crazy that we can't get specific options for Dominican, Mexican, Cuban, etc., but we CAN get Serbian, Albanian, Azerbaijan, and other countries where you'd probably have trouble finding 10 people who've even seen a baseball game...

02-04-2016, 09:42 PM	#16
Kent814 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: San Diego Posts: 650	well their are some guys whose ethnicity doesn't match their name

02-05-2016, 09:49 PM	#18
BKL All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 931	What I want to do is just have more Hispanics in the league, with most of them having appropriate names. So based on this discussion, I assume if I just edit the ethnicity file to have more Hispanics then there will be more created, with appropriate names and skin color. Basically, I just want to make sure that "most" of the names seem appropriate...I don't mind if a few are off. So will just editing the ethnicity file do the job? There's really a lot of feedback here about editing the names file, editing the nations file, etc. but all I'm trying to do is have more Hispanics enter the league over time, and I want those players to - for the most part (not 100% per se) - have reasonable names, and look Hispanic. I'm not looking for it to be perfect, just reasonable. Will simply editing the ethnicity file do the trick? Thanks!