Steve Bartman

Cap Heresy · 10-07-2015, 04:52 AM

Did anybody watch the ESPN film "Catching Hell"? I saw something that I never noticed before. Just before the ball arrived, Moises Alou CLOSED HIS EYES. Everybody just assumed it would have been caught. Maybe not.

Déjà Bru · 10-07-2015, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cap Heresy

Did anybody watch the ESPN film "Catching Hell"? I saw something that I never noticed before. Just before the ball arrived, Moises Alou CLOSED HIS EYES. Everybody just assumed it would have been caught. Maybe not.

Before HDTV, you probably would not have noticed! But, professional ballplayer that Alou was, I doubt that he would have kept his eyes closed long enough to lose track of the ball. I did not see the film, but if they show that scene in slo mo, maybe a blink caused by impending impact with the wall seems prolonged to the viewer.

Déjà Bru · 10-07-2015, 09:14 AM

Hmmm. Thanks for reminding me about Bartman and long-suffering ChiCub fans. I'm from New York and since my team went down with hardly a squeak last night, I needed something to pique my interest in tonight's wildcard game and thereby soothe my pain, so there it is.

BaseballMan · 10-07-2015, 10:19 PM

Werent the cubs predicted to win the series in 2015 in one of the back to the future films?

Cap Heresy · 10-08-2015, 02:50 AM

I remember that a non-existent Florida team was in it, but I don't remember if they won or lost. Also didn't remember the year. That's good attention to detail, like remembering the name of the horse in "The Sting" (Lucky Dan).

ihatenames · 10-08-2015, 03:03 AM

Yes, Back To The Future predicted the Cubs would win the World Series over Miami in 2015.

The Game · 10-08-2015, 05:19 AM

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Yes, Back To The Future predicted the Cubs would win the World Series over Miami in 2015.

Not predicted, they had swept Miami.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADXs2C4Vmho

Regardless of if Alou would have caught it or not I despise Cubs fans for blaming a goat & a guy for all of their failures. For years no one blamed Dusty for leaving Prior in too long, for Alex Gonzalez booting a ball that opened up the inning for the Marlins. This was Game 5, they still lost the next 2 games. i hope the Cubs never wins a WS in my lifetime. That being said there current team is rather impressive looking going forward. i do believe they are a fluke but so was my team in 2005.

Déjà Bru · 10-08-2015, 08:39 AM

Hmmm. Cubs win and are in the playoffs after a 12-year absence. [Strokes beard in meditative thought.]

PotatoPeeler · 10-08-2015, 10:51 AM

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Regardless of if Alou would have caught it or not I despise Cubs fans for blaming a goat & a guy for all of their failures. For years no one blamed Dusty for leaving Prior in too long, for Alex Gonzalez booting a ball that opened up the inning for the Marlins. This was Game 5, they still lost the next 2 games. i hope the Cubs never wins a WS in my lifetime.

I've been saying these exact words for years and years. No one ever blames Alex Gonzalez. Never. And it's too bad because most of the blame falls squarely on his shoulders.

MrHaroldG · 10-12-2015, 01:49 PM

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Not predicted, they had swept Miami.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADXs2C4Vmho

Regardless of if Alou would have caught it or not I despise Cubs fans for blaming a goat & a guy for all of their failures. For years no one blamed Dusty for leaving Prior in too long, for Alex Gonzalez booting a ball that opened up the inning for the Marlins. This was Game 5, they still lost the next 2 games.

Actually, it was Game 6, not Game 5.

Nor does anyone remember that there was still a Game 7—and the Cubs lost the Series more so there than in Game 6.

ihatenames · 10-12-2015, 02:28 PM

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I've been saying these exact words for years and years. No one ever blames Alex Gonzalez. Never. And it's too bad because most of the blame falls squarely on his shoulders.

I think very few people actually blame the guy at this point. Most of the uproar was raw emotion that has more than run it's coarse. Even Alou has come out and said as much.

It's always the media or fans of other teams that bring him up these days.

Déjà Bru · 10-12-2015, 07:32 PM

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I think very few people actually blame the guy at this point. Most of the uproar was raw emotion that has more than run it's coarse. Even Alou has come out and said as much.

It's always the media or fans of other teams that bring him up these days.

Perhaps, but if I were Bartman, I would not be testing your statements by making a public appearance in the North Side anytime soon.

joefromchicago · 10-12-2015, 07:47 PM

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No one ever blames Alex Gonzalez.

I do.

ihatenames · 10-12-2015, 08:02 PM

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Perhaps, but if I were Bartman, I would not be testing your statements by making a public appearance in the North Side anytime soon.

He was invited but declined

Déjà Bru · 10-12-2015, 08:19 PM

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He was invited but declined

Said the spiders to the fly.

ihatenames · 10-12-2015, 11:16 PM

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Said the spiders to the fly.

Honestly, I think Bartman would be welcomed back with open arms. I think most feel bad for how he was treated. Again you never hear Cubs fans bringing him up. His treatment was an embarrassment to fan base. We all forgive Bartman and we all hope he forgives us too.

Déjà Bru · 10-12-2015, 11:19 PM

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Honestly, I think Bartman would be welcomed back with open arms. I think most feel bad for how he was treated. Again you never hear Cubs fans bringing him up. His treatment was an embarrassment to fan base. We all forgive Bartman and we all hope he forgives us too.

I'll take your word for it. Has he ever actually "come of out hiding"?

ihatenames · 10-12-2015, 11:27 PM

Not at all. Which is commendable because he surely could have cashed in on his fame. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still going to games. It would take a pretty keen eye to recognize the guy without the hat and headphones. I certainly wouldn't recognize him if he was sitting next me at a game.

knightdreamer2k · 10-13-2015, 11:01 AM

If I was Bartman i would not go near any chicago public sports venues. While there is alot of rational people out there, the reverse is also true. There are a great many uneducated, emotion driven, petty people out there.

BaseballMan · 10-13-2015, 10:51 PM

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If I was Bartman i would not go near any chicago public sports venues. While there is alot of rational people out there, the reverse is also true. There are a great many uneducated, emotion driven, petty people out there.

Its been over 10 years. Athletes have done far worse. But I wouldn't mind seeing the cubs win this year so we can stop hearing the goat excuse.

10-07-2015, 04:52 AM	#1
Cap Heresy Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 65	Steve Bartman Did anybody watch the ESPN film "Catching Hell"? I saw something that I never noticed before. Just before the ball arrived, Moises Alou CLOSED HIS EYES. Everybody just assumed it would have been caught. Maybe not.

10-07-2015, 09:14 AM	#3
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,176	Hmmm. Thanks for reminding me about Bartman and long-suffering ChiCub fans. I'm from New York and since my team went down with hardly a squeak last night, I needed something to pique my interest in tonight's wildcard game and thereby soothe my pain, so there it is. __________________ - Bru

10-08-2015, 03:03 AM	#6
ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,534	Yes, Back To The Future predicted the Cubs would win the World Series over Miami in 2015. __________________ New Album coming soon!

10-08-2015, 08:39 AM	#8
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,176	Hmmm. Cubs win and are in the playoffs after a 12-year absence. [Strokes beard in meditative thought.] __________________ - Bru

10-12-2015, 11:27 PM	#18
ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,534	Not at all. Which is commendable because he surely could have cashed in on his fame. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still going to games. It would take a pretty keen eye to recognize the guy without the hat and headphones. I certainly wouldn't recognize him if he was sitting next me at a game. __________________ New Album coming soon!

10-07-2015, 10:19 PM	#4
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,415	Werent the cubs predicted to win the series in 2015 in one of the back to the future films?

10-08-2015, 02:50 AM	#5
Cap Heresy Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 65	I remember that a non-existent Florida team was in it, but I don't remember if they won or lost. Also didn't remember the year. That's good attention to detail, like remembering the name of the horse in "The Sting" (Lucky Dan).

10-13-2015, 11:01 AM	#19
knightdreamer2k Major Leagues Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 452	If I was Bartman i would not go near any chicago public sports venues. While there is alot of rational people out there, the reverse is also true. There are a great many uneducated, emotion driven, petty people out there.