Pinch Hitting Issue Solved?

Dodger1 · 08-25-2015, 10:26 AM

So I started a new season (2024). Twelve games in, and already I've seen four instances of relief pitchers batting in late innings when their team was trailing. So I rechecked all the league settings. They were all correct. Then I checked the strategy setting for the last team I played against. The slider for "pinch hit for pitchers" in both the 7th and 8th setting, and the 9th inning setting, were set almost all the way to "never"! WTF? So I moved them close to "frequently" then checked every other NL team. In all but a few instances those sliders were either set in the middle, or moved towards never. I manually reset all closer to frequently, and hope that will solve the issue.

But can someone tell me why in God's name the AI would set those close to never in this day and age? How often do you see a team let a reliever bat after the 6th in a game they're losing? Why would these settings be like that?

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 08-25-2015, 10:29 AM

Is this in the MLB game or a fictional league? I wonder if it's just a mistake someone made while editing manager strategies for the quickstart.

t-bone shuffle · 08-25-2015, 10:49 AM

FWIW, I've noticed this too, but it seems only after the patch previous to the one issued today.

I tend to just let things like this go, and did, but I've seen a few references. I double checked settings, etc, nothing amiss. I do not see the team strategy setting issue mentioned above either. Most are set to the center, or one click either way.

I feel just about certain the problem arose with version 16.7.36. I do play out all my games and while i don't monitor the AI's in-game moves with a magnifying glass, this one is hard to miss because you are expecting it to do one thing, then it doesn't.

My game is one started in version 15 from the roster set. Imported almost immediately after 16 was released. I'm currently in the 4th season since beginning.

Dodger1 · 08-25-2015, 11:03 AM

It's in the major league game. I only started noticing it after the latest patch, though it might have happened a few times after the patch before referenced above. Before that, I don't remember it being an issue at all.

Dodger1 · 08-25-2015, 11:05 AM

Oops, I didn't realize a patch was issued today. I started noticing it after the last patch, as did t-bone.

David Watts · 08-25-2015, 08:05 PM

Bottom of the 9th, team losing 4-1. The pitcher bats. I checked, I don't have the box for "throw in the towel" checked.

Padreman · 08-25-2015, 10:17 PM

To me this is a bigger issue than the minor leagues being out of whack

David Watts · 08-26-2015, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Padreman

To me this is a bigger issue than the minor leagues being out of whack

It's definitely broken. I just had it happen again. Team losing 5-0 in the bottom of the 9th and the AI left the pitcher in to hit. Before the game I changed the setting for pinch hit for pitchers to very often.

Looks like all my league will use the DH from now on.

BIG17EASY · 08-27-2015, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

It's definitely broken. I just had it happen again. Team losing 5-0 in the bottom of the 9th and the AI left the pitcher in to hit. Before the game I changed the setting for pinch hit for pitchers to very often.

Looks like all my league will use the DH from now on.

This is extremely disappointing.

Westheim · 08-27-2015, 09:01 AM

At home I have a list of instances where the AI batted relief pitchers or starting pitchers in pointless spots from my current dynasty season. I also had an opposing team, trailing 3-2 in the top of the ninth, with one out and the tying run at second base, that had it's starting pitcher take the at-bat. They lost. 3-2.

RchW · 08-27-2015, 09:16 AM

Not good.

Honorable_Pawn · 08-27-2015, 09:31 AM

Hard rule needs to be coded.

MR never gets to bat...ever. Unless there are no batters left on the bench or the lead is greater than 4 with less than 2 innings remaining.

Although this might be unrealistic it would be more realistic than what you all are reporting. Personally, I hate non-DH baseball IRL and in-game so I never use it. I don't have this problem.

SirMichaelJordan · 08-27-2015, 09:54 AM

I have a similar problem with the AI bringing in the closer in pointless situation which causes them to sometimes have an crazy amount of wins/losses & IP's for the position. I've seen the Closer come in a a blow out and seen them come in down a couple of runs while the team came back for a victory. Could be a cause of playing the best pitcher available though.

David Watts · 08-27-2015, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

Hard rule needs to be coded.

MR never gets to bat...ever. Unless there are no batters left on the bench or the lead is greater than 4 with less than 2 innings remaining.

Although this might be unrealistic it would be more realistic than what you all are reporting. Personally, I hate non-DH baseball IRL and in-game so I never use it. I don't have this problem.

I still think something happened to the pinch hit for pitcher AI in one of the patches.

Matt Arnold · 08-27-2015, 10:33 AM

I think I did some tweaks for one of the patches that I thought fixed some cases of relievers hitting too much, and it seems like it fixed that case but probably opened up a new case that now screws up.

We can certainly revamp it for next year to probably switch it to more of a "reliever never hits except in extreme circumstances" type system, but for now sorry about the few times relievers are hitting.

BIG17EASY · 08-27-2015, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I think I did some tweaks for one of the patches that I thought fixed some cases of relievers hitting too much, and it seems like it fixed that case but probably opened up a new case that now screws up.

We can certainly revamp it for next year to probably switch it to more of a "reliever never hits except in extreme circumstances" type system, but for now sorry about the few times relievers are hitting.

Next year? Matt, I'm sorry, but this is happening way too often for you guys to not at least consider a patch now.

BIG17EASY · 08-27-2015, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

Hard rule needs to be coded.

MR never gets to bat...ever. Unless there are no batters left on the bench or the lead is greater than 4 with less than 2 innings remaining.

Although this might be unrealistic it would be more realistic than what you all are reporting. Personally, I hate non-DH baseball IRL and in-game so I never use it. I don't have this problem.

I agree that this is more realistic than the current situation, but I wouldn't want it hard-coded. I want long relievers to hit in blowouts and I want relievers to bat late when there's a big lead, like you mention.

It was working pretty well prior to whatever Matt did, so hopefully they can reverse the changes he made and give us a patch soon.

Habsfan18 · 08-27-2015, 10:49 AM

Reading this thread and the version 8 update thread that was released on the 20th (and updated on the 25th), I'm glad I decided to stick with version 7 (16.7.36). At least for now. I'm wondering if I really even need to update?

Westheim · 08-27-2015, 10:51 AM

There are non-blowout situations where I would want my reliever to bat. Like say, you're up by one run in the bottom 8th, there are two outs and nobody on. Your last left-handed reliever is due at bat next. Your closer is unavailable after pitching three straight days, and two left-handed batters, #2 and #3 in the other team's lineup, are due to lead off the opposing ninth.

This is all very situational. A hard-coded solution will break more than it fixes.

But the AI absolutely positively needs a fix for this: top 9th, down 3-2, runner on second, one out, and the starting pitcher's spot comes up.

Westheim · 08-27-2015, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habsfan18

Reading this thread and the version 8 update thread that was released on the 20th (and updated on the 25th), I'm glad I decided to stick with version 7 (16.7.36). At least for now. I'm wondering if I really even need to update?

This is not an issue with Version 8. I had it in my last season, played from July into August, as well.

08-25-2015, 10:26 AM	#1
Dodger1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 137	Pinch Hitting Issue Solved? So I started a new season (2024). Twelve games in, and already I've seen four instances of relief pitchers batting in late innings when their team was trailing. So I rechecked all the league settings. They were all correct. Then I checked the strategy setting for the last team I played against. The slider for "pinch hit for pitchers" in both the 7th and 8th setting, and the 9th inning setting, were set almost all the way to "never"! WTF? So I moved them close to "frequently" then checked every other NL team. In all but a few instances those sliders were either set in the middle, or moved towards never. I manually reset all closer to frequently, and hope that will solve the issue. But can someone tell me why in God's name the AI would set those close to never in this day and age? How often do you see a team let a reliever bat after the 6th in a game they're losing? Why would these settings be like that?

08-25-2015, 10:17 PM	#7
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,138	To me this is a bigger issue than the minor leagues being out of whack __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

08-27-2015, 09:01 AM	#10
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 14,006	At home I have a list of instances where the AI batted relief pitchers or starting pitchers in pointless spots from my current dynasty season. I also had an opposing team, trailing 3-2 in the top of the ninth, with one out and the tying run at second base, that had it's starting pitcher take the at-bat. They lost. 3-2. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 95 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 * 2071 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

08-27-2015, 09:16 AM	#11
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Not good. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

08-27-2015, 09:31 AM	#12
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	Hard rule needs to be coded. MR never gets to bat...ever. Unless there are no batters left on the bench or the lead is greater than 4 with less than 2 innings remaining. Although this might be unrealistic it would be more realistic than what you all are reporting. Personally, I hate non-DH baseball IRL and in-game so I never use it. I don't have this problem. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

08-25-2015, 10:29 AM	#2
Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,119	Is this in the MLB game or a fictional league? I wonder if it's just a mistake someone made while editing manager strategies for the quickstart. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason

08-25-2015, 10:49 AM	#3
t-bone shuffle All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The dull edge of the blade Posts: 867	FWIW, I've noticed this too, but it seems only after the patch previous to the one issued today. I tend to just let things like this go, and did, but I've seen a few references. I double checked settings, etc, nothing amiss. I do not see the team strategy setting issue mentioned above either. Most are set to the center, or one click either way. I feel just about certain the problem arose with version 16.7.36. I do play out all my games and while i don't monitor the AI's in-game moves with a magnifying glass, this one is hard to miss because you are expecting it to do one thing, then it doesn't. My game is one started in version 15 from the roster set. Imported almost immediately after 16 was released. I'm currently in the 4th season since beginning. Last edited by t-bone shuffle; 08-25-2015 at 11:01 AM.

08-25-2015, 11:03 AM	#4
Dodger1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 137	It's in the major league game. I only started noticing it after the latest patch, though it might have happened a few times after the patch before referenced above. Before that, I don't remember it being an issue at all.

08-25-2015, 11:05 AM	#5
Dodger1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 137	Oops, I didn't realize a patch was issued today. I started noticing it after the last patch, as did t-bone.

08-25-2015, 08:05 PM	#6
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,121 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Bottom of the 9th, team losing 4-1. The pitcher bats. I checked, I don't have the box for "throw in the towel" checked.

08-27-2015, 09:54 AM	#13
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,716	Pinch Hitting Issue Solved? I have a similar problem with the AI bringing in the closer in pointless situation which causes them to sometimes have an crazy amount of wins/losses & IP's for the position. I've seen the Closer come in a a blow out and seen them come in down a couple of runs while the team came back for a victory. Could be a cause of playing the best pitcher available though. Last edited by SirMichaelJordan; 08-27-2015 at 10:01 AM.

08-27-2015, 10:33 AM	#15
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,182	I think I did some tweaks for one of the patches that I thought fixed some cases of relievers hitting too much, and it seems like it fixed that case but probably opened up a new case that now screws up. We can certainly revamp it for next year to probably switch it to more of a "reliever never hits except in extreme circumstances" type system, but for now sorry about the few times relievers are hitting.

08-27-2015, 10:49 AM	#18
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,249	Reading this thread and the version 8 update thread that was released on the 20th (and updated on the 25th), I'm glad I decided to stick with version 7 (16.7.36). At least for now. I'm wondering if I really even need to update?

08-27-2015, 10:51 AM	#19
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 14,006	There are non-blowout situations where I would want my reliever to bat. Like say, you're up by one run in the bottom 8th, there are two outs and nobody on. Your last left-handed reliever is due at bat next. Your closer is unavailable after pitching three straight days, and two left-handed batters, #2 and #3 in the other team's lineup, are due to lead off the opposing ninth. This is all very situational. A hard-coded solution will break more than it fixes. But the AI absolutely positively needs a fix for this: top 9th, down 3-2, runner on second, one out, and the starting pitcher's spot comes up. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 95 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 * 2071 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.