Dumbest Trade Ever? - Page 2

OakDragon · 08-01-2015, 06:56 PM

Yeah, there is a disconnect there. Even if the first offer is going to be not-too-bright, it at least needs to be enticing.

kingtut313 · 08-01-2015, 07:27 PM

I just tried to get a 2star backup OF. They wanted my 23 year old 4/5 star SS and my top pitching prospect 1/5 star.

For a 30 year old career .240 back up left fielder.

Westheim · 08-01-2015, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kingtut313

I just tried to get a 2star backup OF. They wanted my 23 year old 4/5 star SS and my top pitching prospect 1/5 star.

For a 30 year old career .240 back up left fielder.

Sounds neutral to me.

RISP! · 08-01-2015, 09:08 PM

I think trading is pretty good for the most part. One of the things that may need to be looked at is whether the AI looks at injury history when trading, because I traded away a talented player for another talent, but my player has a fragile or wrecked injury history, and I don't think AI considers that. In fact, I don't know if AI considers injury history when signing players or drafting players either. Someone tell me otherwise, cuz that's how I feel.

boogeyboard1 · 08-02-2015, 04:20 AM

I wouldn't go so far as to say trading is broken, but I do think it needs to be tweaked. I have been trying to replicate the deals that have been made at the trade deadline and have been unable to do so.

SirMichaelJordan · 08-02-2015, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by boogeyboard1

I wouldn't go so far as to say trading is broken, but I do think it needs to be tweaked. I have been trying to replicate the deals that have been made at the trade deadline and have been unable to do so.

You can't really expect to be able to replicate those trades. Its a entire different outcome and universe. Not to mention player ratings and value may not be 100% spot on to how they are in reality. Maybe so if the save was parallel to the current real season.

Honorable_Pawn · 08-02-2015, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

Teams aren't going to trade you anyone just because you want them. If it's a guy they don't want to give up, they'll ask for an exorbitant price or they won't trade them. That's exactly how it works irl as well.

You say you're unloading contracts, which makes things even more difficult. The ai is now very reluctant to take on your bad contracts unless you include some good cheap young players to sweeten the deal. Even then, they still may not take the deal because they just don't want to pay the contact. Again, this is both exactly how it works irl, and exactly how things are supposed to work.

Also, as SMJ says, after complaints about the trade ai being too easy, the levels were all adjusted to become harder. You aren't going to be able to rip off the ai quite so easily as in 12 anymore as most people were able to exploit the ai on average difficulty. It can still be done, but it'll take more work on your part, and talking to more teams.

If you want the same experience as in 12, you'll have to set the trade difficulty to easy.

I'd like to add that if the AI would just use the damn untouchable option and tell us that player x is not available a lot of this could be avoided.

Lukas Berger · 08-02-2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

I'd like to add that if the AI would just use the damn untouchable option and tell us that player x is not available a lot of this could be avoided.

This is true

Lukas Berger · 08-02-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

You can't really expect to be able to replicate those trades. Its a entire different outcome and universe. Not to mention player ratings and value may not be 100% spot on to how they are in reality. Maybe so if the save was parallel to the current real season.

Yep, exactly. I don't think we need to apologize to anyone in regard to ratings and the roster set in general, it's a great achievement if I do say so myself, that no other game can even come close to duplicating, much less bettering. Still, it's inevitable that no matter how good a job we do on it, it's never going to exactly match real life.

MLB teams all have different opinions on specific players, their own teams, their status as buyers or sellers which depends on how the season works out, what's happening in their system, everything really.

We could never accurately replicate all that as it's completely dynamic and changes from day to day and hour to hour.

PsychoBulk · 08-02-2015, 03:07 PM

Low/Hard/Neutral

Those settings have always worked beautifully for me.

Theres no ripping the AI off but with planning, negotiation and and persistence, you can pull off plenty of solid deals.

Lukas Berger · 08-02-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PsychoBulk

Low/Hard/Neutral

Those settings have always worked beautifully for me.

Theres no ripping the AI off but with planning, negotiation and and persistence, you can pull off plenty of solid deals.

Agreed.

CeeBod · 08-03-2015, 09:59 AM

Whilst trading AI is obviously a very tough thing to get right, this version does feel more broken than previous versions did. With default settings, I struggle to make any trades at all, whilst the AI trades beggar belief completely.

I just saw the Pirates trade away Raisel Iglesias to St Louis at the tail end of May '16. He was traded by the Reds in July '15 for an 18 yr old 5-star SS prospect and 19 yr old rookie league pitcher (who might with good luck and a following wind make an ML bullpen one day). That trade was a bit iffy, but he'd gone 18 starts with an ERA of 4.81, and the Reds were out of the playoff race, so I could see it being not entirely unreasonable. (Maybe the Reds thought he was worse than they had expected, and they saw a chance to use his high value to get a potential superstar they covet - stranger things have happened right?)

This trade just now though - in 8 starts, he had 5 wins, and an ERA of 1.94. He's on $2.5mn this yr, and under contract until 2020 with no year above $5mn. He rates 4.5 stars, and being 26 and with previous skill improvements, it looks like he's not hit his best yet. That should be a player that any team wants to hang onto right? If I tried trading for him, they'd want my entire farm system, AND my best veterans. What they got for him was a 20yr old Rookie-ball pitcher rated as a 2.5 star prospect, and a 19yr old rookie-ball Catcher rated as a 1.5 star prospect. It's May, the Pirates are 2 games back on the Cards. This trade makes less than zero sense!

08-01-2015, 07:27 PM	#22
kingtut313 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Lansing, MI Posts: 163	I just tried to get a 2star backup OF. They wanted my 23 year old 4/5 star SS and my top pitching prospect 1/5 star. For a 30 year old career .240 back up left fielder. __________________ Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. - Toby Harrah

08-03-2015, 09:59 AM	#32
CeeBod Bat Boy Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 17	Whilst trading AI is obviously a very tough thing to get right, this version does feel more broken than previous versions did. With default settings, I struggle to make any trades at all, whilst the AI trades beggar belief completely. I just saw the Pirates trade away Raisel Iglesias to St Louis at the tail end of May '16. He was traded by the Reds in July '15 for an 18 yr old 5-star SS prospect and 19 yr old rookie league pitcher (who might with good luck and a following wind make an ML bullpen one day). That trade was a bit iffy, but he'd gone 18 starts with an ERA of 4.81, and the Reds were out of the playoff race, so I could see it being not entirely unreasonable. (Maybe the Reds thought he was worse than they had expected, and they saw a chance to use his high value to get a potential superstar they covet - stranger things have happened right?) This trade just now though - in 8 starts, he had 5 wins, and an ERA of 1.94. He's on $2.5mn this yr, and under contract until 2020 with no year above $5mn. He rates 4.5 stars, and being 26 and with previous skill improvements, it looks like he's not hit his best yet. That should be a player that any team wants to hang onto right? If I tried trading for him, they'd want my entire farm system, AND my best veterans. What they got for him was a 20yr old Rookie-ball pitcher rated as a 2.5 star prospect, and a 19yr old rookie-ball Catcher rated as a 1.5 star prospect. It's May, the Pirates are 2 games back on the Cards. This trade makes less than zero sense! Last edited by CeeBod; 08-03-2015 at 10:08 AM.

08-01-2015, 06:56 PM	#21
OakDragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Jose, CA USA Posts: 3,494	Yeah, there is a disconnect there. Even if the first offer is going to be not-too-bright, it at least needs to be enticing.

08-01-2015, 09:08 PM	#24
RISP! Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 17	I think trading is pretty good for the most part. One of the things that may need to be looked at is whether the AI looks at injury history when trading, because I traded away a talented player for another talent, but my player has a fragile or wrecked injury history, and I don't think AI considers that. In fact, I don't know if AI considers injury history when signing players or drafting players either. Someone tell me otherwise, cuz that's how I feel.

08-02-2015, 04:20 AM	#25
boogeyboard1 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 1,129	I wouldn't go so far as to say trading is broken, but I do think it needs to be tweaked. I have been trying to replicate the deals that have been made at the trade deadline and have been unable to do so.

08-02-2015, 03:07 PM	#30
PsychoBulk Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: UK Posts: 129	Low/Hard/Neutral Those settings have always worked beautifully for me. Theres no ripping the AI off but with planning, negotiation and and persistence, you can pull off plenty of solid deals.