Fielding rating disappearing overnight

btimmer · 07-30-2015, 10:04 AM

I had a 29-year old third baseman whose defense went from a 6 rating to absolutely none at the position in the course of one month.

While he wasn't having the greatest season defensively, he definitely didn't completely lose his ability to field that quickly did he?

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 07-30-2015, 10:08 AM

With range of 2 (out of 10?), it's possible. Each position has minimum thresholds for component ratings in order to earn a position rating, though I don't know offhand what they are for third base.

Even if he doesn't have a position rating, he may still be able to play adequate 3B for you if you've been satisfied with him there so far. Just monitor the defensive stats.

btimmer · 07-30-2015, 10:14 AM

I did see the drop in range, but he's fine on other components. I guess I'm wondering why he went so bad all at once despite not getting hurt.

Pacoheadley · 07-30-2015, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by btimmer

I did see the drop in range, but he's fine on other components. I guess I'm wondering why he went so bad all at once despite not getting hurt.

He might not be much worse at all than before, but like Scudworth said, the game won't display any rating if one of the ratings is below a certain threshold.

btimmer · 07-30-2015, 11:56 AM

Thanks for all the help and information. I guess the suddenness just threw me for a loop. Since my team isn't really in contention, I'll probably leave him at third base and take my lumps. My alternative would be moving my regular DH, who has ratings at all three outfield positions AND shortstop into the field and shifting my normal shortstop over to third. I'm not certain why someone would be rated for the outfield and short, but not third either. Well, aside from never playing third.

kingcharlesxii · 07-30-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by btimmer

I did see the drop in range, but he's fine on other components. I guess I'm wondering why he went so bad all at once despite not getting hurt.

Guys in OOTP just naturally lose range as they get older, like in real life. Some are faster than others and 29 is pretty early but it happens. You can keep an eye on their weight - if a guy puts on weight, he's likely to lose range or has just lost range.

For now, with that arm, he'll probably be passable at third despite the lack of rating. Long term, he's a DH or a below average 1B (he's too short to be really good). You don't want to keep that low a range at 3B too long as every ball he doesn't get to has a decent chance to be a double.

btimmer · 07-30-2015, 12:20 PM

Sadly, he's the highest paid player on my team. And his contract has three more years to go, although the last year has a vesting option, which I'm sure I can arrange for him not to meet.

I'll probably DH him starting next season.

He is listed at 5'11" and 205 lbs, but I think he's been hitting the postgame spread a little too much.

KentCol · 07-30-2015, 12:27 PM

This has happened to me in the last two versions of OOTP. Adrian Beltre is an 8 (out of 10) at 3B and the next season he has a "-" at 3B.

StratMan · 07-31-2015, 02:42 PM

I've read this in one other place that at 1B your height affects defense. In what OOTP version did this begin? Does his height affect the 1B rating (in addition to the other skills like range, arm and hands), or is it a defensive deduction outside of his ratings?

kingcharlesxii · 07-31-2015, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by StratMan

I've read this in one other place that at 1B your height affects defense. In what OOTP version did this begin? Does his height affect the 1B rating (in addition to the other skills like range, arm and hands), or is it a defensive deduction outside of his ratings?

I think it was in 15 and it seems like it's a deduction off the rating they'd otherwise have if they were taller. I haven't fiddled with it too much but it doesn't seem like a severe penalty.

RchW · 07-31-2015, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KentCol

This has happened to me in the last two versions of OOTP. Adrian Beltre is an 8 (out of 10) at 3B and the next season he has a "-" at 3B.

It will sound like an excuse but one of the issues with the current roster (opening day) set is that the development/aging feature works as designed. Beltre is 36 and OOTP faced with an instant 36 year old with zero development/aging history is going to apply skill reductions.

bailey · 07-31-2015, 05:40 PM

I wonder how many people who complain of talent declines to their players despite the player having no injuries are playing the game with the low or very low injury setting?

bwburke94 · 07-31-2015, 05:42 PM

In the specific case of Adrian Beltre, it's his Turn DP rating that's the issue - maybe the Turn DP minimum needs to be removed for third basemen.

Lukas Berger · 07-31-2015, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

In the specific case of Adrian Beltre, it's his Turn DP rating that's the issue - maybe the Turn DP minimum needs to be removed for third basemen.

That's a pretty good idea imo.

I also gave his turn dp rating a bit of a boost for now, though that won't help anyone with this year's rosters at this point.

07-30-2015, 10:04 AM	#1
btimmer Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 10	Fielding rating disappearing overnight I had a 29-year old third baseman whose defense went from a 6 rating to absolutely none at the position in the course of one month. While he wasn't having the greatest season defensively, he definitely didn't completely lose his ability to field that quickly did he?

07-30-2015, 10:08 AM	#2
Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,118	With range of 2 (out of 10?), it's possible. Each position has minimum thresholds for component ratings in order to earn a position rating, though I don't know offhand what they are for third base. Even if he doesn't have a position rating, he may still be able to play adequate 3B for you if you've been satisfied with him there so far. Just monitor the defensive stats. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason Last edited by Cinnamon J. Scudworth; 07-30-2015 at 10:09 AM.

07-30-2015, 10:14 AM	#3
btimmer Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 10	I did see the drop in range, but he's fine on other components. I guess I'm wondering why he went so bad all at once despite not getting hurt.

07-30-2015, 11:56 AM	#5
btimmer Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 10	Thanks for all the help and information. I guess the suddenness just threw me for a loop. Since my team isn't really in contention, I'll probably leave him at third base and take my lumps. My alternative would be moving my regular DH, who has ratings at all three outfield positions AND shortstop into the field and shifting my normal shortstop over to third. I'm not certain why someone would be rated for the outfield and short, but not third either. Well, aside from never playing third.

07-30-2015, 12:20 PM	#7
btimmer Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 10	Sadly, he's the highest paid player on my team. And his contract has three more years to go, although the last year has a vesting option, which I'm sure I can arrange for him not to meet. I'll probably DH him starting next season. He is listed at 5'11" and 205 lbs, but I think he's been hitting the postgame spread a little too much.

07-30-2015, 12:27 PM	#8
KentCol Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 215	This has happened to me in the last two versions of OOTP. Adrian Beltre is an 8 (out of 10) at 3B and the next season he has a "-" at 3B.

07-31-2015, 02:42 PM	#9
StratMan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 68	I've read this in one other place that at 1B your height affects defense. In what OOTP version did this begin? Does his height affect the 1B rating (in addition to the other skills like range, arm and hands), or is it a defensive deduction outside of his ratings?

07-31-2015, 05:40 PM	#12
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,424	I wonder how many people who complain of talent declines to their players despite the player having no injuries are playing the game with the low or very low injury setting?

07-31-2015, 05:42 PM	#13
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,523	In the specific case of Adrian Beltre, it's his Turn DP rating that's the issue - maybe the Turn DP minimum needs to be removed for third basemen.