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Old 07-17-2015, 03:47 PM   #1
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Innings Limit for Younger Pitchers?

So I'm relatively new to OOTP (16 is my first one), so sorry if this has been asked before. My organization has been very good at developing starting pitching out of high school, but they all seem to flame out by the time they turn 30. Now I haven't put them on an innings limit when they make the majors, so oftentimes they've had two or three 200-inning seasons by the time they turn 25. Would putting an innings limit on them when they're younger prevent this from happening and allow them to be successful longer?

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Old 07-17-2015, 04:48 PM   #2
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I'm not sure I see a 30-year-old decline as problematic. On the other hand, I'm not sure either if limiting the innings early in the career will add to longevity. I thought I read somewhere that a rule of thumb is 10 innings per year of age, maxing out at the 200 inning level, with special preference. So, a 17-year-old you'd want to cap at 170IP if you can, etc... Which begs another point. I don't know if this is actually built into the game, i.e. lessening development with too much activity. I suspect the extreme end has effect, but the lesser end would be unpredictable and, I think, unlikely to extend playing time and quality of development to any discernible degree. Probably easier to control with pitch counts.
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Old 07-17-2015, 04:52 PM   #3
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I have seen top fight young pitchers flame out after a good year or two while pitching a lot of innings. It's possible that it may be due to over work, but there isn't a mechanism for the AI to reduce innings of their young pitchers either. I believe it may be more about the individual pitchers.
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Old 07-17-2015, 05:19 PM   #4
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I'm not sure I see a 30-year-old decline as problematic. On the other hand, I'm not sure either if limiting the innings early in the career will add to longevity. I thought I read somewhere that a rule of thumb is 10 innings per year of age, maxing out at the 200 inning level, with special preference. So, a 17-year-old you'd want to cap at 170IP if you can, etc... Which begs another point. I don't know if this is actually built into the game, i.e. lessening development with too much activity. I suspect the extreme end has effect, but the lesser end would be unpredictable and, I think, unlikely to extend playing time and quality of development to any discernible degree. Probably easier to control with pitch counts.
"Pitcher abuse points" are in the game, but that's more about usage on a per-start basis rather than aggregated usage over a whole season. I think the only thing that can be said for sure is that limiting innings over the course of a season for a young pitcher will reduce his opportunities to become injured, since for the most part the only way players in OOTP become injured is in-game.

Since injuries can have a negative impact on development, that might help boost development to a point that whatever natural drop-off occurs after age 30 isn't as significant.
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Old 07-17-2015, 05:42 PM   #5
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Thanks for the quick responses. For clarification, I'm not talking about pitchers who decline after 30 - I'm talking about guys who come up at 23ish, are amazing from their rookie year to about 28, them fall off a cliff immediately. Like recently I had Luis Severino go from 3rd in the Cy Young voting to DFAed and the long man in AAA the following season, throwing 10 mph slower without being injured.
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Old 07-17-2015, 05:50 PM   #6
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what are your ai evaluation settings?
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Old 07-17-2015, 05:58 PM   #7
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Posting from my phone so this may be incorrect, but I'm pretty sure my AI settings are 10/50/30/10. If it also helps, both developments are default, and both aging are .8
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