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If greenies make you get that many hits, I'm wondering why he was the only one that got that many? Was he the only one taking those? Sheer luck? Does gambling on baseball make you work harder?
His accomplishments as a player speak well enough. These other things should be secondary issues. |
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My point is that so many of the same people who want to give Pete a complete pass for putting the integrity of honest competition at risk with his gambling and, worse yet, his close relationships with bookies, would at the same time like to banish Barry Bonds and some Dirty Dozen "PED cheats" from the game permanently. So, I ask: what if we find that Pete took performance enhancers, too? Because contrary to your curt dismissal of the idea, it's certainly not impossible. After all, Pete has demonstrated that he is not a man of integrity, which I think makes him capable of anything, perhaps more so than the average player. |
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Actually, players take steroids not only for the purpose of hitting more home runs. They do it to speed recovery to keep injury time at a minimum and keep themselves in the game. And given Pete was playing over 100 games a year through his age 44 season, including 162 at ages 38, 39 and 41—the only player over the age of 40 to do so—well, I'm not saying there's fire, but there's certainly smoke.
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Throwing around unsubstantiated accusations is an actionable offense in many cases and criminal in some. You seem to be suggesting that your comments are free from such rules and considerations because their source imbues them with an inherent worthlessness obvious to all. While that may be true, explain why, if you are aware of this, you are compelled to share them with the rest of us? |
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Even if we assume Rose was using steroids at the end of his career, they weren't put on the 'banned' list until 1991. That might seem like a cop-out / technicality, but a super competitive person is going to use every advantage they can get.
that being said, while Rose hasn't commented on whether he used steroids, there's hearsay quotes of him from '85/'86 declining to try them because "it was too late to try something new" at that point of his career. long article on the steroid era/investigations, with a brief blurb on Rose: ESPN.com - E-Ticket: Who Knew? |
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Also, Greenies (amohetamines) have been replaced now by chugging of red bull. Except for Miguel Tejada and his adderall. (This kills me... I know a coach of a team in 14u major (AAA) who has gotten four kids to start taking that for baseball telling their parents they have trouble "focusing." Seriously. Anyway...on the Red Bull...Example...before Wade Davis brings his duffel bag full of middle finger FU pitches to the mound, he chugs a lot of red bull. Last edited by Airdrop01; 07-06-2015 at 11:45 PM. |
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Mantle popped greenies like they were candy and he is in the Hall of Fame. He was also permanently banned by Bowie Kuhn for his employment by a casino while also active as a coach for the Yankees in 1983, yet he remained in the Hall of Fame. By the way, Mantle was being paid to have a "relationship" with gamblers, just so you know.
Still waiting for the long list of "so many people" that want to "give Pete Rose a complete pass" but want to banish Barry Bonds... |
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Do you honestly believe that there is nobody who believes that Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame despite his gambling violations, but that Barry Bonds should be banned from baseball and the Hall because of his alleged PED usage? I'm not going to consider addressing your request unless you tell me, no lie, that's seriously what you think.
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You are taking this really seriously, and strangely personally.
This isn't a workplace, or a court of law, or any other intimate interpersonal social gathering. It's a bulletin board of anonymous posters talking about public figures. I'm pretty sure that my saying "When we find out for sure that Pete Rose took greenies and other performance enhancing drugs", whether or not I believe it's true, on an Internet forum is not an actual crime punishable by anything. So trying to frighten me into whatever mode of behavior you want me to exhibit by suggesting it is a crime is falling somewhat short of the mark. |
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Well, you know that's not true. But okay, I'll drop it.
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I don't know who believes it. But you said there are many people that believe it, and I asked you to produce one. You apparently cannot do that. |
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