Detroit Tigers 2015 Season Thread - Page 11

David Watts · 06-12-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Hey guys Phil Coke is available. Just sayin'...

Karma karma karma! Too funny. Phil Coke is now a member of the............wait for it.........Toronto Blue Jays

Oh oh, you watch, my posting this, will mean he puts together a Cy Young performance for the Jays

RchW · 06-12-2015, 10:48 AM

LOL, last September lefty Daniel Norris made his first MLB appearance for the Jays and struck out David Ortiz. I'm not sure that Phil Coke gives me a sense of calm this weekend. I hope we get "New Coke" this time.

cephasjames · 06-12-2015, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

I hope they send Greene to Toledo for a bit to find his pitches. Kyle Ryan is doing okay as a fifth starter for now.

Detroit Tigers option Shane Greene to Triple-A Toledo to clear spot for Ian Krol

And there it is.

David Watts · 06-12-2015, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

Detroit Tigers option Shane Greene to Triple-A Toledo to clear spot for Ian Krol

And there it is.

If it's the same Ian Krol is it even an improvement?

cephasjames · 06-12-2015, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

If it's the same Ian Krol is it even an improvement?

Krol will be in the 'pen while Kyle Ryan will start. Ryan has been better than Greene, so yes. Whether Krol works well in the 'pen remains to be seen.

TribeFanInNC · 06-13-2015, 12:34 PM

And as usual, the Indians are an instant winning streak start for the Tigers. Man, we just cannot beat you guys. I didn't get to watch yesterday unfortunately. I might make more of an effort to watch Verlander's return today.

Speaking of which, where's all the Verlander talk?!? You guys are all over Shane Greene and Phil Coke though.

cephasjames · 06-13-2015, 12:53 PM

Which Verlander will show up is the question that I have. We've actually done okay without him, so if he comes in and gives us the Verlander that started to appear in spring training, a very good Verlander, then it'll be a plus. But if he comes in and is the version he's been the past couple of years then he'll sort of be on par with Lobstein and Ryan, who have done decent but not good. So it shouldn't change things a bunch.

I've actually enjoyed not having to worry about the "Which Verlander will show up?" question. Although it's been replaced with "Which Sanchez will show up?" and "Which Greene will show up?".

CONN CHRIS · 06-13-2015, 08:35 PM

Not bad for his return start. Obviously on a pitch count and the bullpen unfortunately coughed it up - generally pleased though.

CONN CHRIS · 06-18-2015, 05:15 PM

Krol/Soria - well done boys. Well done.

CONN CHRIS · 06-19-2015, 01:52 PM

VMart off the DL, Verlander on the mound: time to turn this train around.

CONN CHRIS · 06-20-2015, 05:43 AM

VMart still off the dl and Simon on the hill - today's the day!

- sooner or later, I'll be right!

cephasjames · 06-20-2015, 04:08 PM

It's still a long season ahead of us. Plenty of time to figure things out. And they're only 5.5 back.

David Watts · 06-20-2015, 09:00 PM

Wow, have to tip your cap to Max. A 1 hitter followed by a no hitter. Wonder if he throws a perfect game next.

kenyan_cheena · 06-21-2015, 06:39 PM

So what happened with him leaving the Tigers? He signed a huge contract with the Nats, so did the Tigers just not want to match it? Or was he gong to go, regardless?

r0nster · 06-21-2015, 06:54 PM

Illitch said he offered 140 million and max refused it and was told that was Tigers final offer and that was that.

However my one question would be is should we get rid of damaged goods Verlander while we can. Truth be told I don't know if the no trade clause is in his overpaid contract. I do know he officially has 9.012 days in the bigs so he can be traded on that part. But the contract amount and wording of contract. I would love to see them dump him off and even pay a portion of his contract and part with a minor leaguer or 2

cephasjames · 06-21-2015, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kenyan_cheena

So what happened with him leaving the Tigers? He signed a huge contract with the Nats, so did the Tigers just not want to match it? Or was he gong to go, regardless?

I wonder how much of his leaving was his agent, Scott Boras, and how much was Max. Max, like many other players, said, "I want to remain with my current team," but when the rubber met the road his actions spoke much louder than his words.

Should a top notch player go out and try to get the best contract that he can? Sure. But if you say "I want to remain with Detroit," but then you don't, you're "I want to remain with Detroit," is really not true. If he really wanted to stay with Detroit then he would've taken their very good offer. But who pushed Max to not remain in Detroit, Max or Boras or both?

Airdrop01 · 06-21-2015, 09:41 PM

Yeah. That's the thing. You don't hire Scott Boras if your primary goal is to avoid free agency.

DamPenguin · 06-22-2015, 09:54 AM

It's tough to say ... As a fan I would've loved for Scherzer to stay in Detroit but you get offered more money elsewhere it's tough to say no, especially if the better offer comes from a legitimate title contender. I think maybe the experience with Verlander and Sanchez may have Detroit hesitant on pulling the trigger on another big contract for a starting pitcher. I would love to keep Price but I don't see us matching or besting the best offer he will receive from the market. I hate to say it but with an aging team and the farm system rated at the bottom of the majors its hard to see a bright future for our Tigers.

CONN CHRIS · 06-23-2015, 10:05 AM

Bats are moving and Price is on the hill. Three in a row?

CONN CHRIS · 06-23-2015, 10:22 AM

While I agree that it would be nice to still have Max in Detroit right now, the Nationals will be ruing the day they inked that deal before too long unless he carries them to a World Series title this year.

Detroit already has one fabulously paid soon-to-be back-end-of-the-rotation guy; having two would leave the franchise in financial shackles for five years or more.

06-12-2015, 10:48 AM	#202
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06-13-2015, 12:53 PM	#207
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	Which Verlander will show up is the question that I have. We've actually done okay without him, so if he comes in and gives us the Verlander that started to appear in spring training, a very good Verlander, then it'll be a plus. But if he comes in and is the version he's been the past couple of years then he'll sort of be on par with Lobstein and Ryan, who have done decent but not good. So it shouldn't change things a bunch. I've actually enjoyed not having to worry about the "Which Verlander will show up?" question. Although it's been replaced with "Which Sanchez will show up?" and "Which Greene will show up?". __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

06-13-2015, 08:35 PM	#208
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,057	Not bad for his return start. Obviously on a pitch count and the bullpen unfortunately coughed it up - generally pleased though. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

06-18-2015, 05:15 PM	#209
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,057	Krol/Soria - well done boys. Well done. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

06-19-2015, 01:52 PM	#210
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,057	VMart off the DL, Verlander on the mound: time to turn this train around. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

06-13-2015, 12:34 PM	#206
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	And as usual, the Indians are an instant winning streak start for the Tigers. Man, we just cannot beat you guys. I didn't get to watch yesterday unfortunately. I might make more of an effort to watch Verlander's return today. Speaking of which, where's all the Verlander talk?!? You guys are all over Shane Greene and Phil Coke though.

06-20-2015, 05:43 AM	#211
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,057	VMart still off the dl and Simon on the hill - today's the day! - sooner or later, I'll be right! __________________ Check Out My Cards!

06-20-2015, 04:08 PM	#212
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	It's still a long season ahead of us. Plenty of time to figure things out. And they're only 5.5 back. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

06-20-2015, 09:00 PM	#213
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,116 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Wow, have to tip your cap to Max. A 1 hitter followed by a no hitter. Wonder if he throws a perfect game next.

06-21-2015, 06:39 PM	#214
kenyan_cheena Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 9,037	So what happened with him leaving the Tigers? He signed a huge contract with the Nats, so did the Tigers just not want to match it? Or was he gong to go, regardless?

06-21-2015, 06:54 PM	#215
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,083	Illitch said he offered 140 million and max refused it and was told that was Tigers final offer and that was that. However my one question would be is should we get rid of damaged goods Verlander while we can. Truth be told I don't know if the no trade clause is in his overpaid contract. I do know he officially has 9.012 days in the bigs so he can be traded on that part. But the contract amount and wording of contract. I would love to see them dump him off and even pay a portion of his contract and part with a minor leaguer or 2

06-21-2015, 09:41 PM	#217
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Yeah. That's the thing. You don't hire Scott Boras if your primary goal is to avoid free agency.

06-22-2015, 09:54 AM	#218
DamPenguin All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 605	It's tough to say ... As a fan I would've loved for Scherzer to stay in Detroit but you get offered more money elsewhere it's tough to say no, especially if the better offer comes from a legitimate title contender. I think maybe the experience with Verlander and Sanchez may have Detroit hesitant on pulling the trigger on another big contract for a starting pitcher. I would love to keep Price but I don't see us matching or besting the best offer he will receive from the market. I hate to say it but with an aging team and the farm system rated at the bottom of the majors its hard to see a bright future for our Tigers.

06-23-2015, 10:05 AM	#219
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,057	Bats are moving and Price is on the hill. Three in a row? __________________ Check Out My Cards!

06-23-2015, 10:22 AM	#220
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,057	While I agree that it would be nice to still have Max in Detroit right now, the Nationals will be ruing the day they inked that deal before too long unless he carries them to a World Series title this year. Detroit already has one fabulously paid soon-to-be back-end-of-the-rotation guy; having two would leave the franchise in financial shackles for five years or more. __________________ Check Out My Cards!