AI released top prospect for no reason?

SharkMet · 05-17-2015, 10:56 PM

I'm playing as the Mets and one of my early draft picks got released by the AI. He is a 4 star prospect and was doing well. I only knew because I got an email that fans were upset about the release. I can't figure out why he was released? Could it just be an inexperienced minor league manager?

Anyone else experience this or am I missing something obvious?

Thanks!

P.S. Maybe this game is more realistic than I think..sounds like a Mets move

THEMURPH · 05-18-2015, 12:14 AM

That is why I do not delegate Roster Moves, Transactions or Minor league signings/demotions to anyone. My manager is only responsible for Lineups, Depth and Pitching Staff.

You could switch to Commish mode and move the player back if you would like.

PSUColonel · 05-18-2015, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by THEMURPH

That is why I do not delegate Roster Moves, Transactions or Minor league signings/demotions to anyone. My manager is only responsible for Lineups, Depth and Pitching Staff.

You could switch to Commish mode and move the player back if you would like.

yes, but what if AI teams are doing this as well?

TLB1975 · 05-18-2015, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

yes, but what if AI teams are doing this as well?

They likely are. We've seen several threads confirming similar AI moves.

ra7c7er · 05-18-2015, 03:33 AM

The AI dumping newly drafted players has been going on a long time. Just have to deal with it. It gets better when teams teams sign and release them over and over too.

SirMichaelJordan · 05-18-2015, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SharkMet

I'm playing as the Mets and one of my early draft picks got released by the AI. He is a 4 star prospect and was doing well. I only knew because I got an email that fans were upset about the release. I can't figure out why he was released? Could it just be an inexperienced minor league manager?

Anyone else experience this or am I missing something obvious?

Thanks!

P.S. Maybe this game is more realistic than I think..sounds like a Mets move

Do you have roster limits on minor leagues?

BusterKing · 05-18-2015, 08:25 AM

Why do we have to look for workarounds for this problem?

Why isn't Markus paying attention to this MAJOR problem with this game?

This has been going on versions after versions and yet it's like he is refusing to deal with it.

Many are reporting this problem, it's a game breaker for the ones that want accuracy with the game.

ChiefWahoo · 05-18-2015, 12:35 PM

The worst I've seen was in OOTP 15, a team released a two time reigning MVP. Now of course that team was the Mets.... Still though, this is a big and persisting issue within the game.

RchW · 05-18-2015, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

yes, but what if AI teams are doing this as well?

I'm seriously confused. This is about AI moves.

MKG1734 · 05-18-2015, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

I'm seriously confused. This is about AI moves.

The statement is implying that, yes, a human player can ensure this does not happen to the team he is controlling ... however ... the AI teams that the human is playing against are doing this.

Talorin · 05-18-2015, 03:55 PM

I had the AI waive my top SP. I used the AI to organize the rosters to fill my spring roster. Couple days later I get the email about him being claimed. I play as the Mets too. The Phillies were the team that snagged him. Thank god for commish mode. I am starting to wonder if the devs might no like the Mets.

TLB1975 · 05-18-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MKG1734

The statement is implying that, yes, a human player can ensure this does not happen to the team he is controlling ... however ... the AI teams that the human is playing against are doing this.

Plus some of the prescribed workarounds minimize, but do not eliminate, the AI controlled teams from these moves.

jaysdailydose · 05-18-2015, 05:32 PM

Just for being thorough...

How many of you have the AI evaluation on, and how many use pure ratings.

Biggest issue around is that we ALL play in different environments.

SirMichaelJordan · 05-18-2015, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jaysdailydose

Just for being thorough...

How many of you have the AI evaluation on, and how many use pure ratings.

Biggest issue around is that we ALL play in different environments.

Yes because outside of having roster limits on minors and sometimes leagues without minors, I do not have this problem especially with a AI team releasing MVP

If AI is cutting former MVP's and you are playing a MLB save then that same person is probably plying with pure ratings..

jaysdailydose · 05-18-2015, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Yes because outside of having roster limits on minors and sometimes leagues without minors, I do not have this problem especially with a AI team releasing MVP

If AI is cutting former MVP's and you are playing a MLB save then that same person is probably plying with pure ratings..

Indeed, and I hope no one takes that as a "shot" against pure ratings. We simply need as much information as possible about the situation before we can really get into the nuts and bolts of it.

RchW · 05-18-2015, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Yes because outside of having roster limits on minors and sometimes leagues without minors, I do not have this problem especially with a AI team releasing MVP

If AI is cutting former MVP's and you are playing a MLB save then that same person is probably plying with pure ratings..

Not disputing the angst of those who have this problem but it has never happened to me. This tells me it is a league type and/or league setup issue. If it is then it is a big part of why it is difficult to fix. The problem must be reproducible and common enough for a fix to be made. I can guarantee that if a fix was obvious it would be done by now. It's also quite possible that some version of it was fixed and a new set of conditions has caused it to happen again.

sherdil · 05-22-2015, 02:18 AM

Do not trust the AI. Do not delegate.

DIY - Do it yourself.

voxpoptart · 05-22-2015, 07:11 AM

Just to see if I understand: the issue is that the AI will release excellent prospects/ players in a "pure ratings" environment? But will not do so, I guess, if the AI is considering ratings plus statistics?

If I'm misunderstanding, please clarify. I haven't noticed the problem in my game so far, but I'm curious now.

SirMichaelJordan · 05-22-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by voxpoptart

Just to see if I understand: the issue is that the AI will release excellent prospects/ players in a "pure ratings" environment? But will not do so, I guess, if the AI is considering ratings plus statistics?

If I'm misunderstanding, please clarify. I haven't noticed the problem in my game so far, but I'm curious now.

Yes. Although I've never really seen a top prospect cut because of it. In my experience, top prospects were being cut if you had a roster limit on your minor league teams. AI teams would go in panic mode and cut anyone (maybe they only looked at current ratings and not potential when deciding who to cut) just to make room on the roster.

Vets were being cut because the AI knew they were declining before it effected the player's stat output.

Players outperform their OVR all the time, its a reason why the OVR can be greater than potential.

Also TCR hits could see a former top draft pick/prospect get cut prematurely before his stat output begin to take a hit when using pure ratings.

jaysdailydose · 05-22-2015, 12:56 PM

Unfortunately, the OP has gone MIA so we might be SOL on getting more into this...

05-17-2015, 10:56 PM	#1
SharkMet Bat Boy Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 10	AI released top prospect for no reason? I'm playing as the Mets and one of my early draft picks got released by the AI. He is a 4 star prospect and was doing well. I only knew because I got an email that fans were upset about the release. I can't figure out why he was released? Could it just be an inexperienced minor league manager? Anyone else experience this or am I missing something obvious? Thanks! P.S. Maybe this game is more realistic than I think..sounds like a Mets move

05-18-2015, 12:14 AM	#2
THEMURPH Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: KANSAS Posts: 127	Micromanagement, is the best Management. As long as your the Micro. That is why I do not delegate Roster Moves, Transactions or Minor league signings/demotions to anyone. My manager is only responsible for Lineups, Depth and Pitching Staff. You could switch to Commish mode and move the player back if you would like.

05-18-2015, 03:55 PM	#11
Talorin Bat Boy Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 18	I had the AI waive my top SP. I used the AI to organize the rosters to fill my spring roster. Couple days later I get the email about him being claimed. I play as the Mets too. The Phillies were the team that snagged him. Thank god for commish mode. I am starting to wonder if the devs might no like the Mets. Last edited by Talorin; 05-18-2015 at 03:57 PM.

05-18-2015, 05:32 PM	#13
jaysdailydose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,325	Just for being thorough... How many of you have the AI evaluation on, and how many use pure ratings. Biggest issue around is that we ALL play in different environments. __________________ Manager - Motor City Marshals Perfect Manager/Discord Name: jaysdailydose

05-22-2015, 12:56 PM	#20
jaysdailydose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,325	Unfortunately, the OP has gone MIA so we might be SOL on getting more into this... __________________ Manager - Motor City Marshals Perfect Manager/Discord Name: jaysdailydose

05-18-2015, 03:33 AM	#5
ra7c7er All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,098	The AI dumping newly drafted players has been going on a long time. Just have to deal with it. It gets better when teams teams sign and release them over and over too.

05-18-2015, 08:25 AM	#7
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,418	Why do we have to look for workarounds for this problem? Why isn't Markus paying attention to this MAJOR problem with this game? This has been going on versions after versions and yet it's like he is refusing to deal with it. Many are reporting this problem, it's a game breaker for the ones that want accuracy with the game.

05-18-2015, 12:35 PM	#8
ChiefWahoo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 129	The worst I've seen was in OOTP 15, a team released a two time reigning MVP. Now of course that team was the Mets.... Still though, this is a big and persisting issue within the game.

05-22-2015, 02:18 AM	#17
sherdil Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2015 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 20	Do not trust the AI. Do not delegate. DIY - Do it yourself.

05-22-2015, 07:11 AM	#18
voxpoptart Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 387	Just to see if I understand: the issue is that the AI will release excellent prospects/ players in a "pure ratings" environment? But will not do so, I guess, if the AI is considering ratings plus statistics? If I'm misunderstanding, please clarify. I haven't noticed the problem in my game so far, but I'm curious now.