When the AI lobs you a amazing trade do you take it?

[Dyzalot]

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

Almost 24 years into just one league and I can count the lowball offers I've received on one hand. I can only work off of my own experience. If I had any other evidence to work with I would consider it, but no one in the thread has yet.

Well I have no evidence that you went 24 years and only received a handful of lowball offers so I guess I should assume it is untrue since it doesn't match my experience? Is that your argument?

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

Well I have no evidence that you went 24 years and only received a handful of lowball offers so I guess I should assume it is untrue since it doesn't match my experience? Is that your argument?

I'm not trying to prove anything. If I were to say "There is a problem with trades" then you can be damned sure I'd have screen shots and something I like to call proof that it was happening.

That said, if you'd like 24 years of screenshots give me your e-mail address because yes I have screenshots of all of them.

[Dyzalot]

Who the heck keeps screen shots of all the trade offers they receive? That just seems strange.

[megamanmatt]

It seems far more likely that it's a case of game options causing screwy behavior.

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

Who the heck keeps screen shots of all the trade offers they receive? That just seems strange.

Me.

[Dyzalot]

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

I'm not trying to prove anything. If I were to say "There is a problem with trades" then you can be damned sure I'd have screen shots and something I like to call proof that it was happening.

And yet with zero evidence to back you up you say this:

If you still have this problem it's only because you aren't using the trade settings. Specifically the "not interested" tag and the "not available" tag.

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

It seems far more likely that it's a case of game options causing screwy behavior.

I play the MLB quickstart with default settings except for a few changes that should have no affect on trades and I can count on one hand the times I've even considered accepting a deal offered by the AI.

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

I play the MLB quickstart with default settings except for a few changes that should have no affect on trades and I can count on one hand the times I've even considered accepting a deal offered by the AI.

Which ones? "Should have no affect" is not "has no effect." Also the MLB quick start is not what I would use to test this. To often people get stuck on the name. Saying that the AI only offered such and such for Trout is meaningless. Saying that the AI only offered a 40 overall player for a 69 overall player has meaning by contrast.

[Dyzalot]

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

Which ones? "Should have no affect" is not "has no effect."

I change the AI eval to use mostly stats. I change the All Star rosters to 34. I change the playoff schedule to fixed dates. I change bunting to "rarely". I allow some options in league evolution such as expansion, team relocations and nickname changes and the increasing or decreasing of offense and pitching.

Was my "should have no effect" accurate? I guess you could claim the changing of the AI evaluation has an effect but the consensus here is that it should be the default anyways.

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

Also the MLB quick start is not what I would use to test this. To often people get stuck on the name. Saying that the AI only offered such and such for Trout is meaningless. Saying that the AI only offered a 40 overall player for a 69 overall player has meaning by contrast.

Well since it seems that the AI almost never tries to trade for my current stars and almost always offers me two star type scrubs for four and five star potential prospects I would say that the possible "name problem" is rendered moot.

[HoustonGM]

My basic rule of thumb when it comes to any move I make in the game is: "Could I see this happening in real life?" If the answer is an unequivocal "No", then I don't make that move, even if it's a favorable one for my team.

Unfortunately, the AI does makes moves between itself that I don't think would ever happen in real life, but I let those go and don't try to undo it or anything. (Example would be the 1st place Dodgers trading their 2nd best pitcher to the 2nd place Rockies in late June in a close race for a reserve and a couple prospects).

[rstoomeyii]

it is so rare that i get offered a player that i am willing to accept that when i do and i might be fleecing the ai, i kinda have to take advantage.

[ThatSeventiesGuy]

Do it. If the AI GM is that stupid, it's his problem, not yours.

[voxpoptart]

I work in Commissioner Mode, and I spend a lot of time helping the computer-run teams make good-for-both-sides trades. If a team has a good player they've no room for, I'll step into their shoes and shop him around; if a good team has a hole they can fill by trading prospects for a good player from a bad team, I'll try to make it happen. I'll borrow each team in turn, see if I can find a fit both sides like. Sometimes I can.

I also undo about half the trades the computer makes, any trade that I find implausible. (E.g., where a team with a superb bullpen trades two prospects for a reliever, then demotes their closer to AAA. Or where a team whose third baseman is on the DL for two weeks trades real value for a third baseman who is obviously going to be benched when two weeks are up.)

As a result, I see a *lot* of lopsided offers: sometimes my team would benefit, sometimes a team I've temporarily borrowed would. Either way, I turn them down -- or at least shape them until both sides get something out of it. I want my team to win, and I'm good at that, but I want the competition to be strong.

[rpriske]

I have never been offered an uneven trade in my favour. Ever.

I am usually offered ridiculously bad trades... though I am often able to negotiate them INTO good trades.

The only BIG trade I have ever been offered is the Yankees offering Robinson Cano for Jose Bautista (right after they signed Cano to a long extension).

I made it better (a couple more players on each side to make it more fair.

Then Cano sucked. I ended up trading him to the Red Sox and getting Dustin Pedroia. The Bautista's career went straight down the toilet. I ended up better off because I still have Pedroia.

[majesty95]

Well, in my experience, 90% of the offers I receive (including shop player offers) are a washed up journeyman in his 30's for a young up-and-coming prospect (or two). Others have stated that their experiences are similar so I doubt it's a gross exaggeration. Now, I play historicals so maybe that is different. But yes, in my 15 year historical, a low ball, I would never accept this offer proposal is FAR more common than anything reasonable.

[THEMURPH]

Stupid, unfair, onesided, shoot your team in the back of the head execution style trades happen in real life. Just ask Allard Baird.

January 8, 2001 sent Johnny Damon and Mark Ellis to the A's for A.J. Hinch and Angel Berroa and Roberto Hernández from the Devil Rays

June 25, 2001 traded Jermaine Dye to the Rockies for Neifi Perez

June 24, 2004 sent Carlos Beltran to the Astros for John Buck and Mark Teahen from the A's

[ra7c7er]

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

It seems far more likely that it's a case of game options causing screwy behavior.

In my case it wasn't game options. I've never changed a single trade setting in the 3 versions of OOTP I've bought. However I do deal with the constant barrage of garbage trades. Whats worse, though, are the trade offers you let expire and the day after the offer expires the other team offers the exact same trade and then proceeds to do it 2 or 3 more times.

[Dyzalot]

Here's the kind of trade offer I see often and that's with the default trade settings other than I put the frequency on "low".

[ra7c7er]

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

Here's the kind of trade offer I see often and that's with the default trade settings other than I put the frequency on "low".

I wish that was the majority of my offers. At least it requires a second look before saying no.

I keep thinking about changing the frequency to "low" but I don't want to lower the frequency of trades I'd like to see a raise in quality of trade. Even if I'm still going to say no.