Runs scoring on wild pitches and passed balls

pher431 · 04-01-2015, 11:23 AM

Most of my game interaction is in play by play mode. I've noticed that a lot of runs are being scored on passed balls and wild pitches. I wondered if others have noticed this as well.

RchW · 04-01-2015, 11:34 AM

Everybody plays a different game (league) and may not play the same way so it is impossible to match our observations to yours. Can you quantify what you see? Is it every game? How many runs? Do you have too many PB and WP per AB league wide? This you can check in-game. Go to stats/team stats and on the pitching and defense tabs you can see league total output. Check those numbers vs total AB and then you can compare to whatever type of league you have IRL.

For runs to score somebody has to be on 3B most if not all of the time. Do you have too many triples? Maybe not enough DP so too many guys make it to 3B.

Sorry to be long winded. More info needed.

pher431 · 04-01-2015, 02:50 PM

I'm currently playing version 16, historical 1969 season major league, through June 26th, which is little less than 1/2 the season. There have been 563 wild pitches and 199 passed balls to date . I'm managing the Mets and playing about 50% of the games in play by play mode. I'll start keeping track of how many runs score on PB and WP while in play by play mode. My impression is that a run scores on a PB or WP once every other game, but I'll report back when I have the real numbers and a decent sample size. Let me know if you need more. Thanks for your help!

RchW · 04-01-2015, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pher431

I'm currently playing version 16, historical 1969 season major league, through June 26th, which is little less than 1/2 the season. There have been 563 wild pitches and 199 passed balls to date . I'm managing the Mets and playing about 50% of the games in play by play mode. I'll start keeping track of how many runs score on PB and WP while in play by play mode. My impression is that a run scores on a PB or WP once every other game, but I'll report back when I have the real numbers and a decent sample size. Let me know if you need more. Thanks for your help!

That looks pretty good at first glance. In 1969 MLB there were 464 PB and 1288 WP. See the link below

1969 Major League Baseball Catcher | Baseball-Reference.com

The hard part is to see how many runs scored as a result of WP and PB.

sreem · 04-01-2015, 04:14 PM

Agree with RichW. I've also found that when I play in play-by-play mode the "bad stuff" that happens in game sticks in my memory longer than the good stuff.

Back in OOTP14 I thought that the "pitch around" function in game didn't really work, because it seemed to produce an opposing team homerun or extra base hit every time I used it. OF COURSE I complained about it on the forums.

I don't remember who, but someone told me to keep track of it, and use a larger sample size. So I started to keep track of it based on pitcher. I quantified what I deemed a success (single or walk was better than a homerun right?).

After tracking things for awhile I came to the conclusion that I stated at the beginning of this post. There was nothing wrong with the pitch around, it just burned SO bad when it didn't work.

Hope this gives you some comfort!

bzumeta · 04-01-2015, 04:33 PM

I have noticed what seem to be a lot of passed balls/wild pitches as well even with a platoon of catchers with 15-16def, but the ouch-memory factor probably makes them stand out more just like fumbles in Madden (which in real football do happen an awful lot considering those guys are paid to carry the thing, and when fumbles happen they often determine games' outcomes). However, I do wonder how the % of passed balls or other defensive runs prevented stats are affected by the catcher's quality (ie a 5def vs a 15def), as my hitting sucks with the M's despite what seems to be an improved lineup and I could use Montero's .750 ops over Zunino's .520!

megamanmatt · 04-01-2015, 08:09 PM

You can alter the frequency of both WP and PB in the options.

ToTheBackstop · 04-01-2015, 08:11 PM

I parsed through my league's data (fictional, majors only) and found that 2.7% of the games had a run scored (either by the visiting/home team) via passed ball, and 10.3% of the games had a run scored via a wild pitch.[*]

[*Disclaimer: This is not exactly correct, since a couple of games had multiple wild pitches-leading-to-run, but I didn't want to get overly confusing by saying 0.103 runs per game]

I hadn't really gotten the impression from observation that runs being scored by balls getting away was out of whack, and for whatever it's worth my numbers are not anywhere in the range of once every second game.

r0nster · 04-01-2015, 09:54 PM

been like this for years but its good that it works both ways

04-01-2015, 11:23 AM	#1
pher431 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Monroe CT Posts: 46	Runs scoring on wild pitches and passed balls Most of my game interaction is in play by play mode. I've noticed that a lot of runs are being scored on passed balls and wild pitches. I wondered if others have noticed this as well.

04-01-2015, 11:34 AM	#2
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Everybody plays a different game (league) and may not play the same way so it is impossible to match our observations to yours. Can you quantify what you see? Is it every game? How many runs? Do you have too many PB and WP per AB league wide? This you can check in-game. Go to stats/team stats and on the pitching and defense tabs you can see league total output. Check those numbers vs total AB and then you can compare to whatever type of league you have IRL. For runs to score somebody has to be on 3B most if not all of the time. Do you have too many triples? Maybe not enough DP so too many guys make it to 3B. Sorry to be long winded. More info needed. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

04-01-2015, 04:14 PM	#5
sreem All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 673	Agree with RichW. I've also found that when I play in play-by-play mode the "bad stuff" that happens in game sticks in my memory longer than the good stuff. Back in OOTP14 I thought that the "pitch around" function in game didn't really work, because it seemed to produce an opposing team homerun or extra base hit every time I used it. OF COURSE I complained about it on the forums. I don't remember who, but someone told me to keep track of it, and use a larger sample size. So I started to keep track of it based on pitcher. I quantified what I deemed a success (single or walk was better than a homerun right?). After tracking things for awhile I came to the conclusion that I stated at the beginning of this post. There was nothing wrong with the pitch around, it just burned SO bad when it didn't work. Hope this gives you some comfort! __________________ "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Except for bears....."

04-01-2015, 08:09 PM	#7
megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	You can alter the frequency of both WP and PB in the options. __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting.

04-01-2015, 02:50 PM	#3
pher431 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Monroe CT Posts: 46	I'm currently playing version 16, historical 1969 season major league, through June 26th, which is little less than 1/2 the season. There have been 563 wild pitches and 199 passed balls to date . I'm managing the Mets and playing about 50% of the games in play by play mode. I'll start keeping track of how many runs score on PB and WP while in play by play mode. My impression is that a run scores on a PB or WP once every other game, but I'll report back when I have the real numbers and a decent sample size. Let me know if you need more. Thanks for your help!

04-01-2015, 04:33 PM	#6
bzumeta Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: NW California Posts: 10	I have noticed what seem to be a lot of passed balls/wild pitches as well even with a platoon of catchers with 15-16def, but the ouch-memory factor probably makes them stand out more just like fumbles in Madden (which in real football do happen an awful lot considering those guys are paid to carry the thing, and when fumbles happen they often determine games' outcomes). However, I do wonder how the % of passed balls or other defensive runs prevented stats are affected by the catcher's quality (ie a 5def vs a 15def), as my hitting sucks with the M's despite what seems to be an improved lineup and I could use Montero's .750 ops over Zunino's .520!

04-01-2015, 08:11 PM	#8
ToTheBackstop Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 151	I parsed through my league's data (fictional, majors only) and found that 2.7% of the games had a run scored (either by the visiting/home team) via passed ball, and 10.3% of the games had a run scored via a wild pitch.[] [Disclaimer: This is not exactly correct, since a couple of games had multiple wild pitches-leading-to-run, but I didn't want to get overly confusing by saying 0.103 runs per game] I hadn't really gotten the impression from observation that runs being scored by balls getting away was out of whack, and for whatever it's worth my numbers are not anywhere in the range of once every second game.

04-01-2015, 09:54 PM	#9
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	been like this for years but its good that it works both ways