Inconsistent Financial Reports?

BPS · 03-21-2015, 04:42 PM

Either financial reports are inconsistent across time, or I'm not understanding the accounting logic.

Below are two columns of accounting data that are for the same year (2017), but the data columns come from two different game years (2018 and 2019). The data for 2017 should be the same when reported in either 2018 and 2019...but is not...unless I'm missing something.

The image below photoshopped the 2017 data from these two different game years, and so you won't find these different columns in the actual game.

The first data column is for 2017 data and comes from the 2019 accounting report. The second column is also for 2017 but comes from the 2018 accounting report.

The red line shows that a number reported as the 2017 Previous Balance becomes 2017 Other Misc. As a results of this different way of reporting this number, "Starting Balance" (yellow line) is different. This is a minor difference but for the sake of consistency should be the same.

More interesting: the second data column reports Scouting Expenses (green box) but no such number appears in the first data column. As a result of the difference in Scouting Expenses, the reported Season Profit/Loss and Total Balance (blue box) differ in the two columns....although these two columns report data from the same year (2017).

Matt Arnold · 03-21-2015, 05:11 PM

Financial reports are challenging. I will have a look tomorrow to see what's going on, but correct, the reports should show the same numbers both times.

OldFatGuy · 03-21-2015, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BPS

Either financial reports are inconsistent across time, or I'm not understanding the accounting logic.

Heh, I'm a former CPA and I've never understood the accounting logic in OOTP financials....

Promisedland · 03-21-2015, 06:02 PM

Keeping the integrity of the financial reports is huge. Us players need to know that they are playing with financially sound reports and the numbers matter. Luckily, you OOTP guys are awesome and I'm confident you will fix it.

BPS · 03-21-2015, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Heh, I'm a former CPA and I've never understood the accounting logic in OOTP financials....

I figure the lower-profit info is sent to the IRS and the higher-profit info is sent to shareholders or the owner.

RchW · 03-21-2015, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BPS

I figure the lower-profit info is sent to the IRS and the higher-profit info is sent to shareholders or the owner.

LOL that reminds me of the statement made by Paul Beeston regarding profit.

BPS · 03-21-2015, 07:02 PM

Edit: my goof! the FA money is negative so isn't available.
Here's another minor issue: in the green box it seems like money for free agents is treated different from money for extensions.

injury log · 03-21-2015, 07:08 PM

edit - sorry I misunderstood your point! But it's still not quite clear to me what you mean.

injury log · 03-21-2015, 07:12 PM

In the screenshot, the $ for FAs is negative, so it is reported as 'none' in the summary. I think it will do the same when $ for Extensions is negative, so I think the behaviour is consistent at least.

Habsfan18 · 03-21-2015, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BPS

Here's another minor issue: in the green box it seems like money for free agents is treated different from money for extensions.

Are these being posted in the bug reports thread too?

Probably should just to be on the safe side.

BPS · 03-21-2015, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by injury log

In the screenshot, the $ for FAs is negative, so it is reported as 'none' in the summary. I think it will do the same when $ for Extensions is negative, so I think the behaviour is consistent at least.

You're absolutely right!

Matt Arnold · 03-23-2015, 07:03 AM

Thanks, found the bug

03-21-2015, 04:42 PM	#1
BPS All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 732	Inconsistent Financial Reports? Either financial reports are inconsistent across time, or I'm not understanding the accounting logic. Below are two columns of accounting data that are for the same year (2017), but the data columns come from two different game years (2018 and 2019). The data for 2017 should be the same when reported in either 2018 and 2019...but is not...unless I'm missing something. The image below photoshopped the 2017 data from these two different game years, and so you won't find these different columns in the actual game. The first data column is for 2017 data and comes from the 2019 accounting report. The second column is also for 2017 but comes from the 2018 accounting report. The red line shows that a number reported as the 2017 Previous Balance becomes 2017 Other Misc. As a results of this different way of reporting this number, "Starting Balance" (yellow line) is different. This is a minor difference but for the sake of consistency should be the same. More interesting: the second data column reports Scouting Expenses (green box) but no such number appears in the first data column. As a result of the difference in Scouting Expenses, the reported Season Profit/Loss and Total Balance (blue box) differ in the two columns....although these two columns report data from the same year (2017). Attached Images Last edited by BPS; 03-21-2015 at 04:44 PM.

03-21-2015, 07:02 PM	#7
BPS All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 732	Edit: my goof! the FA money is negative so isn't available. Here's another minor issue: in the green box it seems like money for free agents is treated different from money for extensions. Attached Images Last edited by BPS; 03-21-2015 at 07:33 PM.

03-21-2015, 07:08 PM	#8
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	edit - sorry I misunderstood your point! But it's still not quite clear to me what you mean. Last edited by injury log; 03-21-2015 at 07:09 PM.

03-21-2015, 05:11 PM	#2
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,272	Financial reports are challenging. I will have a look tomorrow to see what's going on, but correct, the reports should show the same numbers both times.

03-21-2015, 06:02 PM	#4
Promisedland Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 10	Keeping the integrity of the financial reports is huge. Us players need to know that they are playing with financially sound reports and the numbers matter. Luckily, you OOTP guys are awesome and I'm confident you will fix it.

03-21-2015, 07:12 PM	#9
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	In the screenshot, the $ for FAs is negative, so it is reported as 'none' in the summary. I think it will do the same when $ for Extensions is negative, so I think the behaviour is consistent at least.

03-23-2015, 07:03 AM	#12
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,272	Thanks, found the bug