Which independent/international leagues are included in 16?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by frangipard

Am I the only one that read this and literally laughed out loud? I mean, to the point of someone else hearing me and asking what was so funny?

Dude, nothing about the Shinkoku Island League is "core and fundamental" to anything. I'd bet the leagues themselves would say it's awesome that they can even have the team names/logo in there, let alone the roster, let alone the ballpark measurements, let alone anything remotely approximating their schedule.

Yeah, and it's a gimmick anyway. It's not a serious schedule, to play games against another league's all-star team and count that in your standings. That's really kind of a joke. Recreating it is no more fundamental to a simulation than re-creating disco demolition night is to a simulation of 70's baseball, or the inclusion of Eddie Gaedel is fundamental to historical play in the 50's.

[westendcards]

I vote for the ability to run Disco Demolition night!!!!

hahaha

[nutt]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Real schedules, yes.

Full 2014 stats, though there are some indy guys who played in 2014 but aren't on current rosters who haven't been added to the db yet. Lots of these in the Pecos League f.e.

Career indy stats also haven't been added yet. Have a ways back for the Atlantic, but the other league's career stats will be a wip that'll fill out over time.

I think I sent you all the indy stats I had by last September. I'll check on my desktop if I didn't send the latter one.

[sstrweaver13]

I played for Gary Templeton and the Bears in 2013, fun times! I'm in the frontier league this season, looking forward to being able to play as myself in the game his year haha should be cool!!

[stangedaze23]

I have a question, in the 90s I played baseball in the German Bundesliga for the Mainz Athletics, I was surprised that a game developed by a German in Germany did not have that league. Any reasons? Will it be in 16?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by stangedaze23

I have a question, in the 90s I played baseball in the German Bundesliga for the Mainz Athletics, I was surprised that a game developed by a German in Germany did not have that league. Any reasons? Will it be in 16?

To quote myself:

Originally Posted by lukasberger

I'm about halfway through creating it.

Wanted to add it officially but there were some potential legal concerns. Might revisit it in the future.

So it'll be pretty well semi-official. Same rating scale and everything as the rest of the roster set, of course

Working on the French league as well. Neither will be done by release, but I'll try to get them out not too, too long after.

Though I may be a bit burned out by release, so we'll see how it goes...

[westendcards]

Travis, what team are you with this year? I had a picture of you in a Sioux City uniform, did you ever or will you be playing for them? I will let you know how you do in my league as I play out all of the independent league games in 2015!

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by westendcards

Travis, what team are you with this year? I had a picture of you in a Sioux City uniform, did you ever or will you be playing for them? I will let you know how you do in my league as I play out all of the independent league games in 2015!

He can obviously correct me if I'm wrong, but we have him with the Florence Freedom in the db.

[sstrweaver13]

Originally Posted by westendcards

Travis, what team are you with this year? I had a picture of you in a Sioux City uniform, did you ever or will you be playing for them? I will let you know how you do in my league as I play out all of the independent league games in 2015!

Yes, i was with Sioux City just for spring training in 2013 but played the season in Newark that year.. Last year started out in Trois Rivieres and finished in Amarillo. This Year I'll be in Florence!

That would be cool to know how I do btw! thanks

[frangipard]

Originally Posted by sstrweaver13

Yes, i was with Sioux City just for spring training in 2013 but played the season in Newark that year.. Last year started out in Trois Rivieres and finished in Amarillo. This Year I'll be in Florence!

That would be cool to know how I do btw! thanks

If I tell you you get signed to affiliated ball, promoted to the majors, and given a million dollar contract, will that make you envy yourself?

[sstrweaver13]

Originally Posted by frangipard

If I tell you you get signed to affiliated ball, promoted to the majors, and given a million dollar contract, will that make you envy yourself?

Haha yeh pretty much.. It will help keep the dream alive on those late night bus trips lol

[Assos]

Originally Posted by sstrweaver13

Haha yeh pretty much.. It will help keep the dream alive on those late night bus trips lol

Keep livin' the dream to make it to the top of that pole!

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by Assos

Keep livin' the dream to make it to the top of that pole!

No offense intended, but that could have been phrased better.

[Le Grande Orange]

Warning: The following post contains biting sarcasm. Reader discretion is advised.

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Beyond that, it's very much worth mentioning that the specific details you're discussing were only revealed by the Can-Am in mid-January. [remainder snipped for brevity's sake]

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

LGO if you don't like how the league is setup don't use it. There is absolutely no reason and no call to threadjack a topic to push your own personal agenda. [remainder snipped for brevity's sake]

Originally Posted by frangipard

Am I the only one that read this and literally laughed out loud? I mean, to the point of someone else hearing me and asking what was so funny? [remainder snipped for brevity's sake]

That whooshing sound you heard was the point sailing over your heads.

As the first Road to Release article is out, let me offer a hypothetical news conference.

Q: So, fully complete rosters for every major league organization, real logos for all the major and minor league clubs, fully accurate 3D stadiums for every MLB team. That's an impressive attention to detail! So presumably all these included leagues have their proper respective playoff formats, yes?
A: *crickets chirping*
Q: Wait, am I to presume that a vast amount of time and effort was poured into getting a plethora of details right, yet leagues still do not have one of their most basic details, namely, which teams make the playoffs, how they match up, and when they play, accurately depicted?
A: *crickets chirping*
Q: The customizable playoffs featured was added way back in OOTP 9. We're now seven versions later, and there's been no improvement in that feature in all that time such that the basic league details as it pertains to their post-seasons can be accurately recreated?
A: *crickets chirping*
Q: The associations feature has been included in the game for a few versions now. There's been no improvement there either? In spite of the benefits it offers in regards to more accurately recreating certain basic league details?
A: *crickets chirping*

Rinse and repeat for a few other long(er)-standing features.

Admittedly the above is harsh, but it nonetheless illustrates the underlying point. Moreover, what some of the responses in this thread have amply demonstrated is the attitude as long as it's not my particular ox being gored, I don't care. But it's actually worse than that. It's not enough for those who aren't interested in a given feature aspect to simply disengage from a conversation since it has no bearing on them. No, they instead have to actively **** upon a feature aspect that has no bearing on them. I've seen this happen several times in the past (and this thread is another example). More worryingly, it seems to be something which is occurring more frequently.

There are plenty of folks who like to play in online leagues. It's not an area in which I'm involved. When those folks hold discussions as to what things they want to see that would make that aspect better for them, if I have a comment which may be pertinent I'll post it, but mostly I disengage from the conversation because it's not an area to which I have an interest. I'll let those folks into that area have their conversation. What I don't do is go in and take a steaming **** all over any ideas or concerns they have in regards to their preferred focus. I follow that same approach applies to playing out games, real-life rosters, or any other aspect which is not an area of interest to me. But, it seems, there are those who forgo that approach and eagerly and happily take a steaming **** over any idea, feature, concept, or proposal that does not fit into their particular game play/focus 'orthodoxy'. Burn the heretic at the stake!

As if that's not bad enough, there is a negative self-reinforcing cycle, a catch-22 which makes things even more problematic: Because only a few people use/care about a given feature it never gets improved. But the reason few people use/care about the given feature is because it hasn't been improved. How is one to break that cycle? That catch-22 will doom any feature, idea, or proposal caught within its trap. Throw in the pressure towards certain game play focuses and anything not within an accepted 'orthodoxy' will never see the light of day. I consider that an enormous shame as many potentially interesting things will be left by the wayside. Instead of an ever-broadening horizon, the result seems more towards a narrowing tunnel.

I'll never be able to wrap my mind around the cherry-picked focuses some folks round here have on what constitutes realism details that must be included. Enormous time and effort is poured into some small details yet others languish untouched for years, even though those details are every bit as fundamental as others lavished praise and attention. But they are outside the focus 'orthodoxy' so banishment it is. You are exiled from the realm under penalty of death!

I suppose I wouldn't care about it except I find it maddeningly frustrating in its seemingly almost arbitrary inconsistency. Couple that with the tendency towards active decrying of features by those who should be otherwise disinterested and disengaged and the result is a most unpleasant brew.

If this is the shape of things to come, it is not a future I welcome with open arms. Those so inclined may greet it with great fanfare but I will not be among them as I likely would have long since left for other shores.

[frangipard]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Warning: The following post contains biting sarcasm. Reader discretion is advised.
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I suppose I wouldn't care about it except I find it maddeningly frustrating in its seemingly almost arbitrary inconsistency. Couple that with the tendency towards active decrying of features by those who should be otherwise disinterested and disengaged and the result is a most unpleasant brew.

If this is the shape of things to come, it is not a future I welcome with open arms. Those so inclined may greet it with great fanfare but I will not be among them as I likely would have long since left for other shores.

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

If this is the shape of things to come, it is not a future I welcome with open arms. Those so inclined may greet it with great fanfare but I will not be among them as I likely would have long since left for other shores.

Then just get on with it because all the condescension in the world won't make me agree with you.

[Kobeck]

too much heat


not getting PO's right is just bad.


should be a top priority going forward.

Although I like fantasy myself getting the real world correct should come first