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Old 09-11-2014, 10:47 PM   #1
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HUUUUGE glitch UGH

I believe I've reported this before from OOTP14. Anyways, I'm a simmer where I will 'manage' each game. I do this so I can set each lineup for each game...once in the game I quick-sim to the 7th inning, to see where I stand in the game. I do this because I like to control who pitches out of my bullpen in close games.

In this game below, I brought Cesar Sanchez in the 16th and planned on him pitching 3 innings as long as he didnt throw too many pitches in the first two. So I clicked 'half-inning' under the sim options and after 2.0 scoreless IP I proceeded to sim another half-inning with him in.

I have noticed this before, when you sim by a half inning, no matter what happens to your pitcher the manager will not remove him. The only reason he was removed in this situation was because he got injured. Mr. Sanchez is a rookie with promising stuff and this just completely ruined his season ERA. Why can't the manager pull out a struggling pitcher when you sim a half inning? They pull guys when you sim more than 1 inning at a time...
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Old 09-11-2014, 11:01 PM   #2
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I'm almost positive that this behavior is intentional.
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Old 09-11-2014, 11:03 PM   #3
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I'm almost positive that this behavior is intentional.
for what reason
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:45 AM   #4
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This half inning thing has been around for as long as I can remember. Things work fine if you sim until a certain inning, but simming a 1/2 inning at a time just doesn't work. Not sure if it's by design or not.
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:47 AM   #5
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The thing that catches my eye is that he was the seventh reliever used in the game. Most teams have only seven relievers -- 12-man staff consisting of five starters and seven relievers. So if you had no relievers remaining, that could cause this. I have seen the AI use rested starters in the past, but not every time. If Webster, who pitched after Sanchez, is a reliever, then you have a case to be made.
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:59 AM   #6
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The thing that catches my eye is that he was the seventh reliever used in the game. Most teams have only seven relievers -- 12-man staff consisting of five starters and seven relievers. So if you had no relievers remaining, that could cause this. I have seen the AI use rested starters in the past, but not every time. If Webster, who pitched after Sanchez, is a reliever, then you have a case to be made.
Good catch. I may have spoke too soon. I am running the appropriate laps as I type
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Old 09-12-2014, 09:07 AM   #7
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Good catch. I may have spoke too soon. I am running the appropriate laps as I type
Thanks. I know this has been discussed before, so I believe it's a known "issue." But I think the specific example he gives is flawed if Sanchez was the last reliever available. Any time a game gets that deep into extra innings, the chances of wonky AI decisions greatly increases.
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Old 09-12-2014, 09:28 AM   #8
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Thanks. I know this has been discussed before, so I believe it's a known "issue." But I think the specific example he gives is flawed if Sanchez was the last reliever available. Any time a game gets that deep into extra innings, the chances of wonky AI decisions greatly increases.
There's an option at the bottom of the Pitching Staff menu for "Allow SP in relief (yes/no)?" I think the default is "no". I suspect poor Sanchez was victimized by this setting.

Sanchez: "Skip, I'm not sure I have it today. I've given up 12 runs already and I've thrown 92 pitches!"

Skip: "Sorry, Sanchez, you're our last reliever."

Sanchez: "But what about Webster over there? He looks pretty fresh."

Skip: "Nope, Sanchez, he's a starter. Can't do it. GM's orders."

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There's an option at the bottom of the Pitching Staff menu for "Allow SP in relief (yes/no)?" I think the default is "no". I suspect poor Sanchez was victimized by this setting.

Sanchez: "Skip, I'm not sure I have it today. I've given up 12 runs already and I've thrown 92 pitches!"

Skip: "Sorry, Sanchez, you're our last reliever."

Sanchez: "But what about Webster over there? He looks pretty fresh."

Skip: "Nope, Sanchez, he's a starter. Can't do it. GM's orders."

(arm falls off)
That made me spill coffee.
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There's an option at the bottom of the Pitching Staff menu for "Allow SP in relief (yes/no)?" I think the default is "no". I suspect poor Sanchez was victimized by this setting.

Sanchez: "Skip, I'm not sure I have it today. I've given up 12 runs already and I've thrown 92 pitches!"

Skip: "Sorry, Sanchez, you're our last reliever."

Sanchez: "But what about Webster over there? He looks pretty fresh."

Skip: "Nope, Sanchez, he's a starter. Can't do it. GM's orders."

(arm falls off)
Strange thing is, I've been playing a random debut league that started in 1947. Bullpens consist of only 4 pitchers. Use starters in relief is marked no. I have seen the AI use a starter towards the end of a extra innings game.
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Strange thing is, I've been playing a random debut league that started in 1947. Bullpens consist of only 4 pitchers. Use starters in relief is marked no. I have seen the AI use a starter towards the end of a extra innings game.
I believe I've seen the same, but I didn't want to say it earlier because I'm not 100% positive.
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Strange thing is, I've been playing a random debut league that started in 1947. Bullpens consist of only 4 pitchers. Use starters in relief is marked no. I have seen the AI use a starter towards the end of a extra innings game.
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I believe I've seen the same, but I didn't want to say it earlier because I'm not 100% positive.
I've seen it to in long extra inning games. Even for the human team if the AI is controlling the bullpen. It's only as a last resort thing though at least as far as I've been able to tell.
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Old 09-13-2014, 01:33 AM   #13
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i said the only reason sanchez was pulled was because he got injured. i had one other RP. plus ive seen this before in non-extra inning games with many RPs available
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i said the only reason sanchez was pulled was because he got injured. i had one other RP. plus ive seen this before in non-extra inning games with many RPs available
Set pitch limits for your relievers. That will ensure that the AI uses all your relievers in a case like this. If you run out of relievers, this could happen, though. Or the AI will put a position player on the mound, which is entirely realistic.
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Wouldn't the easy way around this be to play out each inning after the 7th instead of simming? Just saying.
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Wouldn't the easy way around this be to play out each inning after the 7th instead of simming? Just saying.
ya then each game takes a lot longer to finish. time is money!!
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ya then each game takes a lot longer to finish. time is money!!
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