I'll tell you what's not working recently: Rule 5 Draft

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by RchW

Yes.

Definitely going to kill the Rule 5 Draft, then, until the Reserve Clause Era is over. If this is true, then it's a programming oversight, IMHO.

Hmmm. Better yet, I will still run the draft but I will refrain from drafting. Instead, I will observe and watch for any AI activity. I will try to pinpoint when the AI starts taking an interest and report back here.

Thanks for the insight, Rich.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Definitely going to kill the Rule 5 Draft, then, until the Reserve Clause Era is over. If this is true, then it's a programming oversight, IMHO.

Hmmm. Better yet, I will still run the draft but I will refrain from drafting. Instead, I will observe and watch for any AI activity. I will try to pinpoint when the AI starts taking an interest and report back here.

Thanks for the insight, Rich.

For clarification the Rule 5 draft existed during the reserve clause but in a very different form. So it's quite clear that a modern day Rule 5 draft could not work in the 1920's unless you had modern day roster rules in effect.

History[edit]
Prior to its current incarnation, from 1959 until the creation of the Rule 4 draft in 1965, top first-year prospects of teams were exposed to the Rule 5 draft. This was in some ways an outgrowth of the Bonus Rule that existed in 1946–50 and 1953–57.[2]

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by RchW

For clarification the Rule 5 draft existed during the reserve clause but in a very different form. So it's quite clear that a modern day Rule 5 draft could not work in the 1920's unless you had modern day roster rules in effect.

So, it may be apparent that the Rule 5 Draft should not even be on until much later than 1920 (which is what I am up to) and, if true, this is a programming oversight in that the Rule 5 Draft should be disabled for as long as Reserve Clause Era rules are being followed.

Well, let's see if anybody with inside knowledge comments. Meantime, like I said, I am taking a wait and see stance. No more unintentional "cheating" with me being the only participant in the Rule 5 Draft.

Is there anybody else here who is NOT using Reserve Clause Era rules and experiencing AI passivity in the Rule 5 Draft?

[SirMichaelJordan]

Another year finished in my test league which is a MLB QS and still no activity.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by RchW

For clarification the Rule 5 draft existed during the reserve clause but in a very different form.

Well, yes and no. The essence was the same, namely, the selection from minor league clubs of players with certain amounts of service who were not on the 40-man roster of a major league club. The details, of course, varied.

See this page for a rundown of the history of the draft.

Prior to its current incarnation, from 1959 until the creation of the Rule 4 draft in 1965, top first-year prospects of teams were exposed to the Rule 5 draft. This was in some ways an outgrowth of the Bonus Rule that existed in 1946–50 and 1953–57.

That's not quite correct. What's described above was in fact the "First-Year Player" draft. This draft was separate from the Rule 5 draft, though it operated on somewhat similar principles. It was created in response to the failure of the bonus rule to curb the escalation of signing bonuses for amateur players seen after WWII. Only players without prior pro experience were subject to it.

If anyone wishes more detail on the First-Year Player draft or Rule 5 draft of this era, I should be able to provide it.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Well, yes and no.

Thanks, LGO, but we need to focus on what the game is doing, not necessarily viewing the Rule 5 Draft from an historical perspective. If the game allows it in an historical setup, it should work properly or be suppressed as inappropriate for the times.

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Another year finished in my test league which is a MLB QS and still no activity.

You're running a test league? Thanks, that's great. Well, there's strength in numbers but so far only you and I have really been adamant that something is amiss here. I am currently leaning toward era-appropriate behavior but we must not overlook what endgame said earlier:

Originally Posted by endgame

Take this in the spirit it's intended, not being critical, just offering my own opinion, right or wrong. The changes in the AI that may result in this 'new' behavior simply mean the AI may have gotten a little smarter. What with having to have open slots in the 40-man, knowing the player will be on the Active Roster for the season, and having available talent that merits that addition, there's no reason to believe- under average circumstances -that many picks would be made, if at all. In addition, AI may be protecting its own typically eligible players better than it used to, resulting in the 40-man being filled by utilizing that protection, so to speak.

It may just be that recent tweaking of AI intelligence has made it a bit TOO smart in this regard. The AI should still be making some draft picks to be realistic, especially in a modern MLB setup.

[Honorable_Pawn]

That RchW is a Jeanyus with a capital J!!!




EDIT: I realized I had misspelled Jeanyus.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

That RchW is Jeanyus with a capital J!!!

Well, he made a good suggestion but we are not sure yet whether that was the answer. We should wait to see if anybody else reports AI passivity in the Rule 5 Draft, with or without the Reserve Clause Era setting on. SMJ seems to feel we have a problem with R5D and his league is modern.

[Honorable_Pawn]

I saw that after I posted.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Well, he made a good suggestion but we are not sure yet whether that was the answer. We should wait to see if anybody else reports AI passivity in the Rule 5 Draft, with or without the Reserve Clause Era setting on. SMJ seems to feel we have a problem with R5D and his league is modern.

I'm hard pressed to think that rule 5 only works well in my leagues. That would complete my transition from Genis to Goaad,

[Matt Arnold]

I saw a player I was interested in grabbing, but by the time I picked he was gone, so I can assume you that at least one player was drafted by an AI in my game. Was an MLB quickstart, now in 2022ish

[Shepp2230]

I saw at least two guys taken in the Rule 5 last night. It was an imported MLB quick start from ootp14.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by UWHabs

I saw a player I was interested in grabbing, but by the time I picked he was gone, so I can assume you that at least one player was drafted by an AI in my game. Was an MLB quickstart, now in 2022ish

Originally Posted by Shepp2230

I saw at least two guys taken in the Rule 5 last night. It was an imported MLB quick start from ootp14.

Thanks, guys. Rich may have hit it on the head about my era not being right for the rule (although I will stick by my contention that if Reserve Clause Era rules are turned on, then Rule 5 Draft ought to be disabled).

It's going to take a long time, perhaps after the product life of OOTPB 15 is over, but eventually I will reach modern times and I will see if the Rule 5 Draft starts becoming active. Meanwhile, I am not using it, just watching it. I'm tempted to release the two players that I talked about above because I am feeling guilty over what I perceive to have been an unknowing cheat on my part.

[SirMichaelJordan]

Ok my rule 5 draft is back to normal BUT after I started clicking the "Apply Changes Now" button in the AI settings menu which updates the ratings if you are using AI Evaluation. I made sure I clicked the button before december 1st which is when teams set their 40 man roster to protect players and also on the day of the rule 5 draft.

In fact last season there were 35 picks in the draft (overkill) with 3-4 teams selecting selecting 5-6 players each...Maybe I hit that button once too often.

So it does seem as if the recent AI changes in the patches made the AI smarter (or not) in this area of the game.

I think the problem is that the OVR doesn't get updated as much as it should which may also relate to the problem that people have with the OVR in the scouting not matching what it says on the profile page.

Aslo before last season, I only hit the change now button once which was on rule 5 draft day which resulted in my usual 7-15 players picked in the draft like It did earlier this year.