MLB All-Star Game (No Gwynn tribute)

Dargone · 07-16-2014, 01:03 PM

So MLB can continue the Jeter love fest (most overrated shortstop ever, yeah I said it), but can't take a few minutes for a Tony Gwynn tribute. Ridiculous.

Thoughts?

John Madden · 07-16-2014, 01:09 PM

Don't have time to check into this; when was the last time an All-Star starter had a slugging % lower than their OBP like Jeter this year?

pstrickert · 07-16-2014, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargone

So MLB can continue the Jeter love fest (most overrated shortstop ever, yeah I said it), but can't take a few minutes for a Tony Gwynn tribute. Ridiculous.

Thoughts?

Good point. I consider Jeter one of the greatest players ever to play the game. And I was fine with him receiving a nice ovation when he was introduced and when he left the game. All well and good. But the nine-inning lovefest was too much. I turned off the game in the seventh inning, after being deluged with Jeter-this and Jeter-that. I mean, the broadcasters even made a big deal about him standing at the dugout rail watching the rest of the game, as if this testified to his greatness. It wasn't Jeter's fault. FOX simply made the decision to milk the occasion for all it was worth. Frankly, it bothered me, as someone who tuned in to watch an All-Star Game. Not a 3-hour tribute to Jeter.

As for Gwynn, yes, you're right. How did he not merit a tribute is beyond me.

RchW · 07-16-2014, 01:38 PM

My understanding was that Gwynn's widow was not up to going to the ASG. This was just on the radio here. If that is the case I completely understand not having something. I suspect there might be a tribute at the WS. This would be fitting as Tony appeared in the 1984 WS.

If that is the plan then I see no reason to be critical of MLB at this time.

CD1083 · 07-16-2014, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

My understanding was that Gwynn's widow was not up to going to the ASG. This was just on the radio here. If that is the case I completely understand not having something. I suspect there might be a tribute at the WS. This would be fitting as Tony appeared in the 1984 WS.

If that is the plan then I see no reason to be critical of MLB at this time.

This is what I was thinking as well.

Last night was about Jeter, no reason to bring the mood down with cancer.

Come WS time, unless Jeter is in it, I imagine Gwynn will be honored appropriately.

pstrickert · 07-16-2014, 02:27 PM

"Stand Up for Cancer." Didn't MLB make that their cause last night?

TribeFanInNC · 07-16-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargone

...(most overrated shortstop ever, yeah I said it)...

Holy Cow! Did you see that? I thought he was talking about me!

Yours Truly,
Scooter Rizzuto

(P.S. Rizzuto's CAREER SLG is barely higher than his OBP)

CD1083 · 07-16-2014, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

"Stand Up for Cancer." Didn't MLB make that their cause last night?

That was a lighthearted commercial.

Giving Gwynn the honor he deserves means setting a completely different tone for the night, which wouldn't be conducive for honoring Jeter.

I'm going to reserve my judgement until after the season. If they don't do anything during the playoffs/WS. Then I'll express my disappointment.

CD1083 · 07-16-2014, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by John Madden

Don't have time to check into this; when was the last time an All-Star starter had a slugging % lower than their OBP like Jeter this year?

Cal Ripken had a pretty lousy 2001 season when he started the All-Star game.

pstrickert · 07-16-2014, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CD1083

That was a lighthearted commercial.

Giving Gwynn the honor he deserves means setting a completely different tone for the night, which wouldn't be conducive for honoring Jeter.

I'm going to reserve my judgement until after the season. If they don't do anything during the playoffs/WS. Then I'll express my disappointment.

Light-hearted? What about when people around the ballpark stood up (including Bud Selig) and held up their cards with the name of a loved one stricken by cancer? I don't know; but that seemed rather sobering to me.

pstrickert · 07-16-2014, 02:51 PM

Not to mention it would've been a perfect time to acknowledge the loss of Tony Gwynn. (But what do I know?)

Westheim · 07-16-2014, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CD1083

Last night was about Jeter [...]

No, it was not.

Last night was about 60-odd players, 50% of which came from either league, who were playing a ballgame with a few million people watching, to decide home field advantage for the World Series.

From what I heard, it turned into a slimy Jeter affair, but last time I checked it was not initially billed the Derek Jeter We Love You So Much We Never Want You To Leave Game.

John Madden · 07-16-2014, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

Light-hearted? What about when people around the ballpark stood up (including Bud Selig) and held up their cards with the name of a loved one stricken by cancer? I don't know; but that seemed rather sobering to me.

That part was ridiculous. Let's all stand up! OK, cancer's cured, sit back down.

Susan G. Komen has definitely made me very skeptical about cancer charities and their true aims, so whenever I see a giant corporate partnership with one, I assume the worst.

RchW · 07-16-2014, 03:12 PM

OK I get it. Gwynn should have been honored. I'll wait to see what the Gwynne family's wishes were before judging the level of the screw up.

Using someone else's screw up to justify pissy little hate fits on to Jeter just doesn't fly. I'm no Jeter worshipper but he is not responsible for anything that did or did not happen last night.

John Madden · 07-16-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

"Stand Up for Cancer." Didn't MLB make that their cause last night?

For what, 2 minutes? Then we were back to JeterFest.

John Madden · 07-16-2014, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

OK I get it. Gwynn should have been honored. I'll wait to see what the Gwynne family's wishes were before judging the level of the screw up.

Using someone else's screw up to justify pissy little hate fits on to Jeter just doesn't fly. I'm no Jeter worshipper but he is not responsible for anything that did or did not happen last night.

I don't think anyone is blaming Jeter for it, but he WAS the subject so of course his name is going to come up.

pstrickert · 07-16-2014, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by John Madden

That part was ridiculous. Let's all stand up! OK, cancer's cured, sit back down.

Susan G. Komen has definitely made me very skeptical about cancer charities and their true aims, so whenever I see a giant corporate partnership with one, I assume the worst.

I agree that it probably had little impact. I mean, who doesn't know about cancer and its devastating effects? So, then what? It's PR for the league. They want you to believe that a league full of millionaires has a social conscience. The NFL does it, too. Mere posturing? Who knows?

ihatenames · 07-16-2014, 03:55 PM

They pretty much did the same thing in Cal Ripken's last all-star game 2001. He was even grooved a pitch that he took deep. Although Gywnn was present and given an award (along with Ripken) he did not make the all-star team his last year. Over-shadowed again by a shortstop it seems.

pstrickert · 07-16-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

OK I get it. Gwynn should have been honored. I'll wait to see what the Gwynne family's wishes were before judging the level of the screw up.

Using someone else's screw up to justify pissy little hate fits on to Jeter just doesn't fly. I'm no Jeter worshipper but he is not responsible for anything that did or did not happen last night.

I certainly don't blame Jeter. It's just a sports network using Jeter's final ASG to draw a bigger audience (bec. ratings = $$$). Personally, I thought they were trying to manipulate me. I mean, none of it felt spontaneous in any way.

CD1083 · 07-16-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

No, it was not.

Last night was about 60-odd players, 50% of which came from either league, who were playing a ballgame with a few million people watching, to decide home field advantage for the World Series.

From what I heard, it turned into a slimy Jeter affair, but last time I checked it was not initially billed the Derek Jeter We Love You So Much We Never Want You To Leave Game.

You must be new to national sports broadcasts.

07-16-2014, 01:03 PM	#1
Dargone Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Interwebs Posts: 2,862	MLB All-Star Game (No Gwynn tribute) So MLB can continue the Jeter love fest (most overrated shortstop ever, yeah I said it), but can't take a few minutes for a Tony Gwynn tribute. Ridiculous. Thoughts? __________________ I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken -- and I'd rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.-Margaret Mitchell

07-16-2014, 01:38 PM	#4
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	My understanding was that Gwynn's widow was not up to going to the ASG. This was just on the radio here. If that is the case I completely understand not having something. I suspect there might be a tribute at the WS. This would be fitting as Tony appeared in the 1984 WS. If that is the plan then I see no reason to be critical of MLB at this time. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

07-16-2014, 03:12 PM	#14
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	OK I get it. Gwynn should have been honored. I'll wait to see what the Gwynne family's wishes were before judging the level of the screw up. Using someone else's screw up to justify pissy little hate fits on to Jeter just doesn't fly. I'm no Jeter worshipper but he is not responsible for anything that did or did not happen last night. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

07-16-2014, 03:55 PM	#18
ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,534	They pretty much did the same thing in Cal Ripken's last all-star game 2001. He was even grooved a pitch that he took deep. Although Gywnn was present and given an award (along with Ripken) he did not make the all-star team his last year. Over-shadowed again by a shortstop it seems. __________________ New Album coming soon!

07-16-2014, 01:09 PM	#2
John Madden Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 379 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Don't have time to check into this; when was the last time an All-Star starter had a slugging % lower than their OBP like Jeter this year?

07-16-2014, 02:27 PM	#6
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,458	"Stand Up for Cancer." Didn't MLB make that their cause last night?

07-16-2014, 02:51 PM	#11
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,458	Not to mention it would've been a perfect time to acknowledge the loss of Tony Gwynn. (But what do I know?)