Ootp war

MKG1734 · 07-09-2014, 10:06 PM

When playing OOTP, what values should be assigned to WAR?

For example, is WAR in OOTP the same as WAR on Baseball Reference/Fangraphs? 2+ for Starter, 5+ for All Star, 8+ for MVP?

Also...does OOTP WAR count baserunning and defense? Or is it a straight measure of offense/pitching?

The Wolf · 07-09-2014, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Pitchers use the WAR formula of Fangraphs, and for position players I use (VORP + ZR) / 10.

You're welcome.

MKG1734 · 07-09-2014, 10:48 PM

Thank you for finding that for me The Wolf.

With that being said: (VORP + ZR) / 10

What numbers have you found to represent offensive players by WAR in OOTP?

Essentially, do the numbers equate to being similar? 0 replacement, 1+ reserve, 2+ starter, 5+ all star, 8+ MVP

The Wolf · 07-09-2014, 10:54 PM

Well, that depends on your league's variance in skill levels. The farther your best batters and pitchers are from the average the higher their WAR values will be. You could have a league where a superstar would be a 4 WAR player and another one where a superstar would be an 8 WAR player.

Fyrestorm3 · 07-09-2014, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Well, that depends on your league's variance in skill levels. The farther your best batters and pitchers are from the average the higher their WAR values will be. You could have a league where a superstar would be a 4 WAR player and another one where a superstar would be an 8 WAR player.

For this reason, I've always found WAR to be most useful for directly comparing players, rather than evaluating a single player against the league.

If you really want to figure out a baseline, though, you could always check out the WARs of the All Star teams.

joefromchicago · 07-09-2014, 11:08 PM

WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely NOTHING!

The Wolf · 07-10-2014, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by joefromchicago

WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely NOTHING!

I wish people would stop saying that, because WAR is an EXCELLENT player valuation tool.

wuttang · 07-10-2014, 01:08 AM

War is a simple yet elegant metric to compare players. Remember war should be discussion starter, not an ender.
Personally, after war/woba, if I'm more curious I look at BB% K% GB% for pitchers, BB% K% ISO for batters, as recently advised by Dave Cameron.

joefromchicago · 07-10-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

I wish people would stop saying that, because WAR is an EXCELLENT player valuation tool.

Evidently not an Edwin Starr fan

justafan · 07-10-2014, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by joefromchicago

WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely NOTHING!

Say it again y'all.

The Wolf · 07-10-2014, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by justafan

Say it again y'all.

Never say it again.

BradC · 07-10-2014, 01:26 PM

That was a song reference, Wolf. Not sure if Joe From Chicago couldn't resist the joke or was using it to bash that stat.

Cryomaniac · 07-10-2014, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BradC

Not sure if Joe From Chicago couldn't resist the joke or was using it to bash that stat.

Both?

The Wolf · 07-10-2014, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BradC

That was a song reference, Wolf. Not sure if Joe From Chicago couldn't resist the joke or was using it to bash that stat.

Brad, I know the song and totally get the reference.

But while it was mildly amusing the first five hundred times or so, now it's just repetitive and annoying.

Cryomaniac · 07-10-2014, 08:58 PM

Funnily enough that song was just on the radio lol.

Dreifort · 07-10-2014, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

But while it was mildly amusing the first five hundred times or so, now it's just repetitive and annoying.

I've heard that somewhere before.....

The Wolf · 07-10-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreifort

I've heard that somewhere before.....

It was probably me complaining about people taking unwarranted shots. Like that one.

Padreman · 07-11-2014, 12:57 AM

1.21 gigawatts

wuttang · 07-11-2014, 02:38 AM

Didn't know it was a song. I always thought it was from that Seinfeld episode lol.
War and peace : Originally titled "War, what is it good for"

07-09-2014, 10:06 PM	#1
MKG1734 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 256	Ootp war When playing OOTP, what values should be assigned to WAR? For example, is WAR in OOTP the same as WAR on Baseball Reference/Fangraphs? 2+ for Starter, 5+ for All Star, 8+ for MVP? Also...does OOTP WAR count baserunning and defense? Or is it a straight measure of offense/pitching?

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wuttang Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 101	War is a simple yet elegant metric to compare players. Remember war should be discussion starter, not an ender. Personally, after war/woba, if I'm more curious I look at BB% K% GB% for pitchers, BB% K% ISO for batters, as recently advised by Dave Cameron. __________________ former The Show and MLB 2K franchise player. Now a new OOTP addict.

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MKG1734 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 256	Thank you for finding that for me The Wolf. With that being said: (VORP + ZR) / 10 What numbers have you found to represent offensive players by WAR in OOTP? Essentially, do the numbers equate to being similar? 0 replacement, 1+ reserve, 2+ starter, 5+ all star, 8+ MVP

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BradC All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: northern CA Posts: 1,874	That was a song reference, Wolf. Not sure if Joe From Chicago couldn't resist the joke or was using it to bash that stat.

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wuttang Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 101	Didn't know it was a song. I always thought it was from that Seinfeld episode lol. War and peace : Originally titled "War, what is it good for" __________________ former The Show and MLB 2K franchise player. Now a new OOTP addict.