How does the game "know" what to assign for someone learning a position?

tejdog1 · 07-04-2014, 04:17 PM

I have a SS prospect on my GCL team, but I want to try and move him out to right. He's got 0 range, 0 OF error and 5 OF arm, so I know it'll be a horrific transition, but my question is - how does the game settle on values eventually? Or does it? Will he never get a rating? How does that work?

Thanks.

Bluenoser · 07-04-2014, 04:35 PM

They get a rating by playing the position.

Some players will never gain a rating because they simply can't play that position.

What is the players speed like? Does he have a rating at any other infield position besides SS?

With basically no OF ratings I doubt very much he'll learn RF. It's possible he'll pick up a 1 or 2 at LF.

Also, how old is he?

tejdog1 · 07-07-2014, 04:10 AM

Sorry for the late reply, thanks bluenoser.
He's 19, 60 speed on the 1/100 scale.

chriskelly · 07-07-2014, 04:02 PM

here's my similar question. I have a 2B at AA, rated 70 at 2B (on the 80 pt scale), but his fielding ratings (range, error, DP) are all also around 70. I want to teach him to play SS. I know if I play him there for a month or two, he will probably get a 20 rating at SS. But, if I play him there, how will he be? Won't his specific defensive ratings be more important than his experience?

Questdog · 07-07-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chriskelly

here's my similar question. I have a 2B at AA, rated 70 at 2B (on the 80 pt scale), but his fielding ratings (range, error, DP) are all also around 70. I want to teach him to play SS. I know if I play him there for a month or two, he will probably get a 20 rating at SS. But, if I play him there, how will he be? Won't his specific defensive ratings be more important than his experience?

He'll suck and suck big time......you cannot do this at the major league level unless you are prepared to lose some games.....

chriskelly · 07-07-2014, 05:11 PM

i want to switch his position while he is in AA.

Questdog · 07-07-2014, 05:14 PM

Well, that's the place to do it......but be prepared for angry letters from your AA team's fans about you throwing their season under the bus.....

RchW · 07-07-2014, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chriskelly

i want to switch his position while he is in AA.

Force start him at that position and follow his progress.

Bluenoser · 07-07-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

Sorry for the late reply, thanks bluenoser.
He's 19, 60 speed on the 1/100 scale.

Well, if you're set on trying him in the OF, play him at LF (force start) while he's in the minors. I'm not even sure he'll pick that up, but it's worth a try for a month or two. Just make sure he gets lots of playing time.

olivertheorem · 07-07-2014, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chriskelly

here's my similar question. I have a 2B at AA, rated 70 at 2B (on the 80 pt scale), but his fielding ratings (range, error, DP) are all also around 70. I want to teach him to play SS. I know if I play him there for a month or two, he will probably get a 20 rating at SS. But, if I play him there, how will he be? Won't his specific defensive ratings be more important than his experience?

How's his arm?

wuttang · 07-07-2014, 10:42 PM

I'm curious about this as well.
If he has the necessary tools, do players adjust better/faster if a LF is moving to similar positions like RF or CF?
How about moving down to a easier position, like a SS moving to 2B or 3B vs the opposite?
I'm guessing moving a Catcher to CF or SS is unadvisable ^^

My biggest question is moving releiver to a SP, especially one with low stamina. Will his stamina go up as he spends more time as a SP?
I really wanna trade for Chapman, and try the experiment the Reds were considering last year, converting him to a starter.
IRL stamina wouldn't have been the biggest hurdle.

Questdog · 07-07-2014, 10:52 PM

Just so you know, Chapman is a starter that the Reds have converted to a reliever......

wuttang · 07-07-2014, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

Just so you know, Chapman is a starter that the Reds have converted to a reliever......

Thank you. That just shows how he could be converted back. Not saying it'll work overnight, or he'll still be as effective but still very doable. Not so sure ingame with his low stamina rating.

sabrtoothtiger · 07-08-2014, 12:35 AM

Has anyone ever successful converted a position player to Catcher? posada and posey have both done it in real life...

Leo_The_Lip · 07-08-2014, 10:32 AM

I have very successfully converted a C to a SP, and position players to Ps and vice versa. I look at players in the draft to see who has ratings that could make decent performers at secondary positions. Then I will draft these guys and switch their positions.

I have also had decent luck looking for young free agents who my scout says has good overall potential but doesn't seem to have the ratings to justify that optimism. Often (but by no means always) switching these guys from pitching to a position or position to pitching produces a decent prospect for me.

Sometimes the AI plugs a prospect into a position because it needs him there, then cuts him without giving him a shot at his natural position. If you look, you can find these guys and give them a second chance.

Mr. Baseball · 07-08-2014, 12:02 PM

Do things like height matter when moving a tall guy to first base or a short guy to second? Does weight factor in?

Markus Heinsohn · 07-08-2014, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Baseball

Do things like height matter when moving a tall guy to first base or a short guy to second? Does weight factor in?

Player height is a factor at 1B, yes. Weight only factors into the development of a position (i.e. a younger player growing out of the SS position).

jpeters1734 · 07-08-2014, 04:49 PM

Nice! I wondered about that. So how do you know if a player is out growing his position? Does his range go down?

tejdog1 · 07-11-2014, 11:41 PM

I'm wondering because IRL Lucas Duda was a 1b by trade until he got thrown into LF... for 3 years... but before that, he had 0/0/0 "ratings" IRL. Obviously they didn't get much better, but I'd say he was a 35/45/45 (1-100) LFer in 2013. Is that simulated in OOTP? From the answers in this thread, the answer is no, correct?

07-04-2014, 04:17 PM	#1
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,654	How does the game "know" what to assign for someone learning a position? I have a SS prospect on my GCL team, but I want to try and move him out to right. He's got 0 range, 0 OF error and 5 OF arm, so I know it'll be a horrific transition, but my question is - how does the game settle on values eventually? Or does it? Will he never get a rating? How does that work? Thanks. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

07-07-2014, 04:10 AM	#3
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,654	Sorry for the late reply, thanks bluenoser. He's 19, 60 speed on the 1/100 scale. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

07-07-2014, 04:02 PM	#4
chriskelly All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 753	similar question here's my similar question. I have a 2B at AA, rated 70 at 2B (on the 80 pt scale), but his fielding ratings (range, error, DP) are all also around 70. I want to teach him to play SS. I know if I play him there for a month or two, he will probably get a 20 rating at SS. But, if I play him there, how will he be? Won't his specific defensive ratings be more important than his experience?

07-07-2014, 10:42 PM	#11
wuttang Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 101	I'm curious about this as well. If he has the necessary tools, do players adjust better/faster if a LF is moving to similar positions like RF or CF? How about moving down to a easier position, like a SS moving to 2B or 3B vs the opposite? I'm guessing moving a Catcher to CF or SS is unadvisable ^^ My biggest question is moving releiver to a SP, especially one with low stamina. Will his stamina go up as he spends more time as a SP? I really wanna trade for Chapman, and try the experiment the Reds were considering last year, converting him to a starter. IRL stamina wouldn't have been the biggest hurdle. __________________ former The Show and MLB 2K franchise player. Now a new OOTP addict.

07-08-2014, 10:32 AM	#15
Leo_The_Lip All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,813	I have very successfully converted a C to a SP, and position players to Ps and vice versa. I look at players in the draft to see who has ratings that could make decent performers at secondary positions. Then I will draft these guys and switch their positions. I have also had decent luck looking for young free agents who my scout says has good overall potential but doesn't seem to have the ratings to justify that optimism. Often (but by no means always) switching these guys from pitching to a position or position to pitching produces a decent prospect for me. Sometimes the AI plugs a prospect into a position because it needs him there, then cuts him without giving him a shot at his natural position. If you look, you can find these guys and give them a second chance. __________________ "My name will live forever" - Anonymous

07-04-2014, 04:35 PM	#2
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,489	They get a rating by playing the position. Some players will never gain a rating because they simply can't play that position. What is the players speed like? Does he have a rating at any other infield position besides SS? With basically no OF ratings I doubt very much he'll learn RF. It's possible he'll pick up a 1 or 2 at LF. Also, how old is he?

07-07-2014, 05:11 PM	#6
chriskelly All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 753	i want to switch his position while he is in AA.

07-07-2014, 05:14 PM	#7
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Well, that's the place to do it......but be prepared for angry letters from your AA team's fans about you throwing their season under the bus.....

07-07-2014, 10:52 PM	#12
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Just so you know, Chapman is a starter that the Reds have converted to a reliever......

07-08-2014, 12:35 AM	#14
sabrtoothtiger Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 137	Has anyone ever successful converted a position player to Catcher? posada and posey have both done it in real life...

07-08-2014, 12:02 PM	#16
Mr. Baseball All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mequon, Wisconsin Posts: 1,020	Do things like height matter when moving a tall guy to first base or a short guy to second? Does weight factor in? __________________ Duluth Danger (HBL) Dynasty Report -- Online League Franchise Duluth - 1985/1989 North League Champions!

07-08-2014, 04:49 PM	#18
jpeters1734 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Juust a bit outside... Posts: 6,289	Nice! I wondered about that. So how do you know if a player is out growing his position? Does his range go down?

07-11-2014, 11:41 PM	#19
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,654	I'm wondering because IRL Lucas Duda was a 1b by trade until he got thrown into LF... for 3 years... but before that, he had 0/0/0 "ratings" IRL. Obviously they didn't get much better, but I'd say he was a 35/45/45 (1-100) LFer in 2013. Is that simulated in OOTP? From the answers in this thread, the answer is no, correct? __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade