A litte update!

Originally Posted by The Wolf

3-d, bah. Improve the simulation and the AI!

You're obviously in the wrong thread, The Wolf

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by dmytron

You're obviously in the wrong thread, The Wolf

No, this is obviously a wrong thread.

If I wanted to play MLB: the Show, I would play MLB: the Show.

Better simulation, yes! 3-D, bah!

[The Wolf]

Just as a note, the money spent to hire the 3D programmer could have been spent on a first-class AI programmer. Do you really prefer eye candy to having the most realistic baseball game possible? If so,what's it like being a kid these days?

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by pastimesteve

Markus - regarding 3D stuff, I had suggested this a couple of versions ago, but what if -- as an interim step well before player animations -- there were 2D representations of player "uniforms" (represented as a circle with the player's number in the center) on the playing field as an option instead of the player names/ratings that are typically shown on the field? The user would have the ability to edit the border color, number color, select pinstripes or solid color fill, pinstripe color, etc. I just think this would add to the atmosphere of the game if you're the GM and just like watching key games unfold.

The circles would move along the base paths, defensive players' "uniforms" would move to the location of the ball based on the new physics engine, etc. I'm dating myself, but I'm thinking back to an NFL computer PC game where the X's and O's would move up and down the playing field, except with OOTP, the uniform circles would be reflected in the action.

Just a thought and I may be the only one who would like this sort of thing.

Steve

I would actually much prefer that to 3D animation, myself. Personal preference, though.

[ShaneCarson]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Just as a note, the money spent to hire the 3D programmer could have been spent on a first-class AI programmer. Do you really prefer eye candy to having the most realistic baseball game possible? If so,what's it like being a kid these days?

You act as though hiring one or the other is mutually exclusive. You, nor I, have no idea what OOTPD's financial situation is. There is a chance, and I'd imagine a pretty good one, that they WOULD hire both the 3D programmer and the "first-class AI programmer" if they could. I'd imagine that since Markus is posting on this forum looking for a programmer that finding this "first-class AI programmer" is easier said than done.

As an aside, and this is not a shot at you Wolf as I see it happen on this forum all the time, I find the rate at which forum members are so quick to make financial and personnel choices(or suggestions) for OOTPD in poor taste and completely bizarre. Unless you have an investment in the company I am not aware of, how about we keep our suggestions to features and bug fixes?

I always refuse to watch live action baseball games over TV or Internet. We don't need graphics, and God only knows why we were born with eyes.

I think that's the reason why MLB coaches never visit stadiums and prefer managing their team listening to the radio broadcast. After all, they don't need to see how their slugger is running. They can get all the information they want from the statistics of the game.

(Using irony and absurdity to make myself clear)

[Padreman]

I agree with WOLF full in 3D with players and stadiums are still years away, just focus in the simulation itself the game and all it's mock parts and on the side work on the 3D. Then when it's 100% ready then release it in the future even if in OOTP 18 or 19 or something

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by ShaneCarson

You act as though hiring one or the other is mutually exclusive.

Google "opportunity cost."

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by dmytron

I always refuse to watch live action baseball games over TV or Internet. We don't need graphics, and God only knows why we were born with eyes.

I think that's the reason why MLB coaches never visit stadiums and prefer managing their team listening to the radio broadcast. After all, they don't need to see how their slugger is running. They can get all the information they want from the statistics of the game.

(Using irony and absurdity to make myself clear)

So you think that if and when this game has player animation it will be detailed enough that you will be able to watch a game and actually learn things about your players?

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by dmytron

I always refuse to watch live action baseball games over TV or Internet. We don't need graphics, and God only knows why we were born with eyes.

I think that's the reason why MLB coaches never visit stadiums and prefer managing their team listening to the radio broadcast. After all, they don't need to see how their slugger is running. They can get all the information they want from the statistics of the game.

(Using irony and absurdity to make myself clear)

The smartest GM in baseball, Billy Beane, never watches his team play. He says it ruins his objectivity.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by David Watts

So you think that if and when this game has player animation it will be detailed enough that you will be able to watch a game and actually learn things about your players?

All that he will learn by watching is exactly why sabermetrics were created in the first place.

[The Wolf]

The failure of the human eye versus sabermetrics:

Where Sabermetrics And the ?Eye Test? Disagree | FiveThirtyEight

[ShaneCarson]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Google "opportunity cost."

I'm an economist but thanks for letting me know what your Word of the Day calendar came up with today.

Again, we don't know their opportunity costs considering we aren't privy to their financial picture. A guy who is a 3D programmer is more often than not, not going to be your top flight AI programmer. So time costs are not an issue. And again, it doesn't look like money is an issue since they have a 3D programmer and Markus is continuing to look for another programmer to move to Germany.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by ShaneCarson

I'm an economist but thanks for letting me know what your Word of the Day calendar came up with today.

Again, we don't know their opportunity costs considering we aren't privy to their financial picture. A guy who is a 3D programmer is more often than not, not going to be your top flight AI programmer. So time costs are not an issue. And again, it doesn't look like money is an issue since they have a 3D programmer and Markus is continuing to look for another programmer to move to Germany.

I'm an engineer. I've spent my entire professional life laughing at economists. I see no reason to stop now.

[David Watts]

I'm a little teapot, short and stout.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I'm a little teapot, short and stout.

That's better than being an economist.

[ShaneCarson]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

That's better than being an economist.

Says the man borrowing economic theory in this thread.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I'm a little teapot, short and stout.

Someone needs to pour some cold water out of that teapot all over this thread.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by ShaneCarson

Says the man borrowing economic theory in this thread.

I actually borrowed it from project management - which, unlike economics, is a real-world thing with actual uses.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Someone needs to pour some cold water out of that teapot all over this thread.

Okay, okay...chilling.