HOB4 - Hall of Fame is open for business Please Vote.

Tiger Fan · 07-13-2003, 01:47 AM

HOB4 - INITIAL HALL OF FAME INDUCTION
The top 5 vote getters will be named as the original class of the HOB4 Hall of Fame. Here is a brief bio on each. Please vote for up to 5. As I said, the 5 players with the highest vote total will comprise the initial class.

It is an interesting call for the voters. How much weight do you put on pre-1922 (my first sim season) stats? How will they compare stats from the PCL and Mountain Leagues to the established leagues. And what about players from the initial Western Alliance Draft that were already in their mid-to late twenties when the sim began? Finally, in one case, does what a player accomplished off the field factor into the voting decision.

TY COBB most of his accomplishments occurred pre 1922 when the sim began but he still played until 1929. Cobb is the alltime hit leader with 4043 and ranks number 1 with 806 stolen bases. His .364 career batting average is far and away the best of alltime.

TRIS SPEAKER Like Cobb, Speaker's greatest seasons were pre-HOB4 but he is second alltime with 3496 career hits.

HARRY HEILMANN began his 20 year career in 1914. His 3120 hits are good for 3rd place alltime. He won 2 batting titles and 1 MVP award. Heilmann played in 11 postseason games, batting .308 but did not win a World Series title.

ROGERS HORNSBY 3 time MVP won 3 straight batting titles in the early twenties. He batted a major league record .415 in 1922. Only one other player has ever topped .400. 3101 career hits rank him 4th alltime. He is also in the top 10 in rbi's and runs scored.

BABE RUTH Number 1 alltime with 633 career homers. Ruth also leads in career walks, is second to Jimmie Foxx in rbi's and 6th in runs scored. 6 time MVP, 10 time allstar and MVP of the 1927 World Series. Career cut short by broken foot in 1931 but returned to join Denver of the Mountain League for the 1939 season. Hit major league record 63 homers in 1924.

WAITE HOYT Greatest pitcher of alltime. Went 411-193 and won 9 straight Cy Young Awards. He was MVP of the 1931 World Series and was 9-6 with a 2.40 era in 16 World Series starts. went 33-4 with a 1.79 era in 1931. Won 31 games the following season with a record 1.45 era.

WALTER JOHNSON Most of his 392 career wins came prior to the HOB4's inception in 1922. Lowest career era of all time, second to Hoyt in wins and 3rd most strikeouts alltime.

PHILLIP DAVEY273-182 alltime. His 3708 career strikeouts are number 2 alltime. One King Hurler Award and 4 allstar appearances. Spent entire career in PCL.

AMOS BOWER First true star of the Mountain League. Was 26 when league formed so just 251 wins but had only 99 career losses for an amazing .717 winning percentage. Won 7 King Hurler Awards and 8 allstar teams as he spent his entire career with Salt Lake.

KEVIN METZLERConsidered the pioneer of the Western Alliance as he was the first player to jump to from it to the major leagues. He led the West in Homers 3 straight seasons before suffering a serious knee injury seemed to end his career at age 32. He had 347 career homers including 6 years with 40 or more and won 1 MVP award plus made 7 allstar teams prior to the injury. He missed nearly 3 seasons with the injury before jumping to the Major Leagues. Metzler would hit another 142 homers with the Red Sox and made 2 allstat teams. He finished first in the American League in homers in 1932. It was his performance that season that forced the major leagues to recognize that the Western Alliance was quickly becoming it's equal.
Voters have a dilemma here. Does Metzler's off the field impact on the game - He is considered a major reason why the merger between the leagues occurred as he proved to the baseball establishment that the western clubs had players that were every bit as good as their eastern counterparts. On the field, injury robbed him of 3 seasons but he still hit 489 homers which is 4th best alltime, despite playing in less than 1800 career games.

Tiger Fan · 07-14-2003, 11:27 PM

Looks like the first four are pretty much a lock. A real race going for the final spot though.

Chappy · 07-15-2003, 08:47 AM

Tough vote... I'm assuming all of these guys will eventually get in, but it's hard to decide on who get's in first.

woody5254 · 07-15-2003, 09:26 AM

Wow, what a tough vote for that 5th spot. I couldn't decide who to go with. I finally just went with Rajah

Tiger Fan · 07-15-2003, 10:12 PM

I am certain all will get in at some point but I wanted to limit the first class to just 5 players. My personal favourite is Amos Bower. No player in the Western Alliance was anywhere near as dominant as Bower was - 251-99 with 7 King Hurler Awards. Think what he could have done had he been 20 years old in 1922 when the league started instead of almost 27.

WillTheThrill · 07-15-2003, 10:31 PM

Thats why I voted for Bower, for his 7 consecutive King Hurler Awards. Usually if somebody is THAT dominant they should easilly get in the hall...

HolyCow98 · 07-16-2003, 01:10 AM

That was tough...I went with the "Rajah" as my fifth pick....but any of the others would be good picks as well....tough ballot

thebigUNIT · 07-16-2003, 01:53 AM

I went with Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Babe Ruth, Waite Hoyt and Walter Johnson.

hamonrye · 07-16-2003, 02:09 AM

Cobb, Speaker, Hornsby, Ruth, Hoyt

jaxmagicman · 07-16-2003, 11:18 AM

Cobb, Speaker, Hornsby, Ruth, Johnson

View Poll Results: Who are the first 5 members of the HOB4 Hall of Fame? Vote for up to 5 players.
Ty Cobb	24	100.00%
Tris Speaker	11	45.83%
Harry Heilmann	1	4.17%
Rogers Hornsby	9	37.50%
Babe Ruth	24	100.00%
Waite Hoyt	17	70.83%
Walter Johnson	20	83.33%
Phillip Davey	1	4.17%
Amos Bower	7	29.17%
Kevin Metzler	7	29.17%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

07-13-2003, 01:47 AM	#1
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 9,873	HOB4 - Hall of Fame is open for business Please Vote. HOB4 - INITIAL HALL OF FAME INDUCTION The top 5 vote getters will be named as the original class of the HOB4 Hall of Fame. Here is a brief bio on each. Please vote for up to 5. As I said, the 5 players with the highest vote total will comprise the initial class. It is an interesting call for the voters. How much weight do you put on pre-1922 (my first sim season) stats? How will they compare stats from the PCL and Mountain Leagues to the established leagues. And what about players from the initial Western Alliance Draft that were already in their mid-to late twenties when the sim began? Finally, in one case, does what a player accomplished off the field factor into the voting decision. TY COBB most of his accomplishments occurred pre 1922 when the sim began but he still played until 1929. Cobb is the alltime hit leader with 4043 and ranks number 1 with 806 stolen bases. His .364 career batting average is far and away the best of alltime. TRIS SPEAKER Like Cobb, Speaker's greatest seasons were pre-HOB4 but he is second alltime with 3496 career hits. HARRY HEILMANN began his 20 year career in 1914. His 3120 hits are good for 3rd place alltime. He won 2 batting titles and 1 MVP award. Heilmann played in 11 postseason games, batting .308 but did not win a World Series title. ROGERS HORNSBY 3 time MVP won 3 straight batting titles in the early twenties. He batted a major league record .415 in 1922. Only one other player has ever topped .400. 3101 career hits rank him 4th alltime. He is also in the top 10 in rbi's and runs scored. BABE RUTH Number 1 alltime with 633 career homers. Ruth also leads in career walks, is second to Jimmie Foxx in rbi's and 6th in runs scored. 6 time MVP, 10 time allstar and MVP of the 1927 World Series. Career cut short by broken foot in 1931 but returned to join Denver of the Mountain League for the 1939 season. Hit major league record 63 homers in 1924. WAITE HOYT Greatest pitcher of alltime. Went 411-193 and won 9 straight Cy Young Awards. He was MVP of the 1931 World Series and was 9-6 with a 2.40 era in 16 World Series starts. went 33-4 with a 1.79 era in 1931. Won 31 games the following season with a record 1.45 era. WALTER JOHNSON Most of his 392 career wins came prior to the HOB4's inception in 1922. Lowest career era of all time, second to Hoyt in wins and 3rd most strikeouts alltime. PHILLIP DAVEY273-182 alltime. His 3708 career strikeouts are number 2 alltime. One King Hurler Award and 4 allstar appearances. Spent entire career in PCL. AMOS BOWER First true star of the Mountain League. Was 26 when league formed so just 251 wins but had only 99 career losses for an amazing .717 winning percentage. Won 7 King Hurler Awards and 8 allstar teams as he spent his entire career with Salt Lake. KEVIN METZLERConsidered the pioneer of the Western Alliance as he was the first player to jump to from it to the major leagues. He led the West in Homers 3 straight seasons before suffering a serious knee injury seemed to end his career at age 32. He had 347 career homers including 6 years with 40 or more and won 1 MVP award plus made 7 allstar teams prior to the injury. He missed nearly 3 seasons with the injury before jumping to the Major Leagues. Metzler would hit another 142 homers with the Red Sox and made 2 allstat teams. He finished first in the American League in homers in 1932. It was his performance that season that forced the major leagues to recognize that the Western Alliance was quickly becoming it's equal. Voters have a dilemma here. Does Metzler's off the field impact on the game - He is considered a major reason why the merger between the leagues occurred as he proved to the baseball establishment that the western clubs had players that were every bit as good as their eastern counterparts. On the field, injury robbed him of 3 seasons but he still hit 489 homers which is 4th best alltime, despite playing in less than 1800 career games. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles Last edited by Tiger Fan; 07-13-2003 at 01:52 AM.

07-14-2003, 11:27 PM	#2
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 9,873	Looks like the first four are pretty much a lock. A real race going for the final spot though. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles

07-15-2003, 08:47 AM	#3
Chappy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,721	Tough vote... I'm assuming all of these guys will eventually get in, but it's hard to decide on who get's in first. __________________ NPBL - Pennsylvania Freedom AFBL - North Carolina Aviators MLB-Pro - Kansas City Royals

07-15-2003, 09:26 AM	#4
woody5254 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hector, NY Posts: 6,130	Wow, what a tough vote for that 5th spot. I couldn't decide who to go with. I finally just went with Rajah __________________ Check out: You Pick Tourney Version 2.0 Standings Thread You Pick The Teams Tourney: Main Thread The Colossal 20th Century Tourney:Main Thread Chicago White Sox(Original Owner:2001-) Baseball Maelstrom -2001,2011,2013 World Series Champions -2002,2010 Maelstrom Tourney Champs Arizona Diamondbacks(2003-) NAHHBL Indianapolis Racers(Expansion Team:1993-)ABC

07-15-2003, 10:12 PM	#5
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 9,873	I am certain all will get in at some point but I wanted to limit the first class to just 5 players. My personal favourite is Amos Bower. No player in the Western Alliance was anywhere near as dominant as Bower was - 251-99 with 7 King Hurler Awards. Think what he could have done had he been 20 years old in 1922 when the league started instead of almost 27. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles

07-15-2003, 10:31 PM	#6
WillTheThrill Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Salinas, CA Posts: 208	Thats why I voted for Bower, for his 7 consecutive King Hurler Awards. Usually if somebody is THAT dominant they should easilly get in the hall... __________________ Descendant of Will Miller of the Time Warp Baseball League. "After 24 years in the majors, Miller retired with one of the most successful careers in history. He set several major league records, including being the all-time leader with 4000 hits, 2004 runs and 921 stolen bases."

07-16-2003, 01:10 AM	#7
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	That was tough...I went with the "Rajah" as my fifth pick....but any of the others would be good picks as well....tough ballot __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

07-16-2003, 01:53 AM	#8
thebigUNIT Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 84	I went with Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Babe Ruth, Waite Hoyt and Walter Johnson.

07-16-2003, 02:09 AM	#9
hamonrye Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 335	Cobb, Speaker, Hornsby, Ruth, Hoyt

07-16-2003, 11:18 AM	#10
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Cobb, Speaker, Hornsby, Ruth, Johnson __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.