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PSUColonel · 05-24-2014, 04:00 PM

My game crashes when I hit randomize nicknames....mac

I am not going to edit each team name, so I am done with OOTP 15 for now...please fix this

PSUColonel · 05-24-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Let me comment on the MLB issue one last time. MLB is not the evil empire here, all they did was protecting their trademarks. Now, if team nicknames without artwork (like we had done it for 15 years now) in OOTP is indeed a trademark infringement is probably up for debate, at least in German law (OOTP Developments is a German company) this would not apply. But again, there is of course no point in fighting MLB or complaining about them, in fact we have been in contact with them for quite a while because we do indeed want to get the game officially licensed, as this will help with growing our market. The discussion has always been very friendly.

Anyway, that they asked us now to remove the nicknames was simply part of their annual house-keeping routine if you ask me, as at the same time they had Apple take down several MLB podcasts from iTunes. I guess if you're as big as MLB, you'd have to do this every once in a while, otherwise everybody will use their trademarks without permission, which of course is not very fair towards those who indeed pay for a proper license. And the MLB legal team cannot just sit around and drink coffee the whole day, right?

So, it's all okay, nobody got sued or threatened. And we'll continue the friendly dialogue with MLB to hopefully get a proper license for OOTP 16 (without crippling the game, of course).

Alright. Markus has spoken. *lol*

Have a great weekend guys!

Of course this will mean no suspensions or drug use

Klew1986 · 05-24-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

My game crashes when I hit randomize nicknames....mac

I am not going to edit each team name, so I am done with OOTP 15 for now...please fix this

Are you going back to OOTP14?

PSUColonel · 05-24-2014, 04:11 PM

I don't know....but I just know I am not editing every team name in the game upon startup of a new league

EDIT: nobody's fault....this is just very unfortunate....and right at a time when OOTP was a bout to break through to a more mainstream market...but of course that's why MLB did what they did.

endgame · 05-24-2014, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

My game crashes when I hit randomize nicknames....mac

I am not going to edit each team name, so I am done with OOTP 15 for now...please fix this

With the latest patch??

Lukas Berger · 05-24-2014, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I don't know....but I just know I am not editing every team name in the game upon startup of a new league

EDIT: nobody's fault....this is just very unfortunate....and right at a time when OOTP was a bout to break through to a more mainstream market...but of course that's why MLB did what they did.

If your game crashes, why wouldn't you report it as a bug in the PT tool rather than posting 20 times complaining about it

and then saying you're done with the game, which you got for free since you're on the beta team

It's kind of your job to report crashes like that. You know Markus will fix them if you do so

PSUColonel · 05-24-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

If your game crashes, why wouldn't you report it as a bug in the PT tool rather than posting 20 times complaining about it

and then saying you're done with the game, which you got for free since you're on the beta team

It's kind of your job to report crashes like that. You know Markus will fix them if you do so

I am in the process..Edit...by the way Lukas...this is the second time you have said this to me, and I will have you know I purchased the game in pre-order long before joining the BETA team.

EDIT: and from what I have read on the BETA board...Markus is already aware of it.

Cryomaniac · 05-24-2014, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Of course this will mean no suspensions or drug use

From what Markus has said, the hope is that they could get a deal whereby that would only apply to the MLB Quickstart.

PSUColonel · 05-24-2014, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

From what Markus has said, the hope is that they could get a deal whereby would only apply to the MLB Quickstart.

well, that's an issue

Cryomaniac · 05-24-2014, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

well, that's an issue

It would be, yes, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. And a "real MLB" mode, even without suspensions, would probably help draw in more new customers than it would drive away old ones.

The Wolf · 05-24-2014, 06:17 PM

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...h-3-later.html

RchW · 05-24-2014, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

Why would I want to play a new version that has less options? Important options to me. Maybe not to you.

I see your point but how many human players will edit away a drug suspension to a player on their team.

Have you ever edited anything in game? I applaud you if not.

MarkInCincy · 05-24-2014, 07:09 PM

Everyone just needs to chill

Life Rule #3:

Plan for the best, expect the worst, reality is somewhere close to the middle

bleachercreature · 05-24-2014, 10:25 PM

I don't fully understand how this all works but with the attention from MLB, is it possible they or MLBPA come back at some point and squelch efforts like the roster project or use of stadiums.

Obviously, it would be next to impossible to stop people from doing these things on their own but could stop OOTD from hosting links, promoting such upgrades and projects like the roster set that is included with the game?

Fyrestorm3 · 05-24-2014, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I don't know....but I just know I am not editing every team name in the game upon startup of a new league

EDIT: nobody's fault....this is just very unfortunate....and right at a time when OOTP was a bout to break through to a more mainstream market...but of course that's why MLB did what they did.

Wolf posted this, but you might have him blocked, so I'll repost it:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...h-3-later.html

bwburke94 · 05-25-2014, 01:41 AM

It should be rather easy to make a hacked DB that brings the team names back.

But in any case, drug suspensions don't really work right in OOTP because of their randomness. I'd much prefer drug suspensions be removed entirely instead of running into a licensing problem with MLB.

RchW · 05-25-2014, 04:19 AM

Yeah drug suspensions have no logical basis currently. That's why I've never had them on. I don't understand the importance people place on them. They certainly don't add realism.

Cryomaniac · 05-25-2014, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bleachercreature

Obviously, it would be next to impossible to stop people from doing these things on their own but could stop OOTD from hosting links, promoting such upgrades and projects like the roster set that is included with the game?

They probably could. Whether they will is a different matter.

ctorg · 05-25-2014, 07:56 AM

I don't know if someone in this long thread has referenced it yet, but neither MLB nor the MLBPA really has much ground to make him remove real player names, given this: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2543720

My understanding is that that was the last word the law has had on the matter.

ctorg · 05-25-2014, 07:56 AM

I don't know if someone in this long thread has referenced it yet, but neither MLB nor the MLBPA really has much ground to make him remove real player names, given this: Fantasy leagues permitted to use MLB names, stats - MLB - ESPN

My understanding is that that was the last word the law has had on the matter.

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PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,146	I don't know....but I just know I am not editing every team name in the game upon startup of a new league EDIT: nobody's fault....this is just very unfortunate....and right at a time when OOTP was a bout to break through to a more mainstream market...but of course that's why MLB did what they did. Last edited by PSUColonel; 05-24-2014 at 04:13 PM.

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RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Yeah drug suspensions have no logical basis currently. That's why I've never had them on. I don't understand the importance people place on them. They certainly don't add realism. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

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ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I don't know if someone in this long thread has referenced it yet, but neither MLB nor the MLBPA really has much ground to make him remove real player names, given this: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2543720 My understanding is that that was the last word the law has had on the matter. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

05-24-2014, 10:25 PM	#134
bleachercreature Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 403	I don't fully understand how this all works but with the attention from MLB, is it possible they or MLBPA come back at some point and squelch efforts like the roster project or use of stadiums. Obviously, it would be next to impossible to stop people from doing these things on their own but could stop OOTD from hosting links, promoting such upgrades and projects like the roster set that is included with the game?

05-25-2014, 01:41 AM	#136
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,529	It should be rather easy to make a hacked DB that brings the team names back. But in any case, drug suspensions don't really work right in OOTP because of their randomness. I'd much prefer drug suspensions be removed entirely instead of running into a licensing problem with MLB.

05-25-2014, 07:56 AM	#140
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I don't know if someone in this long thread has referenced it yet, but neither MLB nor the MLBPA really has much ground to make him remove real player names, given this: Fantasy leagues permitted to use MLB names, stats - MLB - ESPN My understanding is that that was the last word the law has had on the matter. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils