OOTP 15 update #2 (version 15.2.8) now available!

[sjshaw]

Originally Posted by ChiefWahoo

This is a fairly minor complaint, but does anyone else feel like the updated FaceGen went a little too hard on the shadowing? It looks like every player is wearing black mascara, in my opinion.

Some of them look super-realistic and some look like Loose Impressionist Watercolors.

[Brett7715]

Originally Posted by BDMarvel

Chrome considers the update malware and will not download it. Something is wrong here...

https://support.google.com/chrome/an...d_blocked&rd=1

I'm having the same issue with this update, Chrome thinks it's malware. I've never had a problem before and I've installed lots of updates over the years. Should I just download it with IE and install anyway? Obviously if there was a problem with the update itself more than just a couple of us would have found it by now.

[kehowey]

Originally Posted by ChiefWahoo

This is a fairly minor complaint, but does anyone else feel like the updated FaceGen went a little too hard on the shadowing? It looks like every player is wearing black mascara, in my opinion.

I also think the shadowing is overdone. All my players look like they haven't shaved in a couple of days. I do like the new eyes and choice of color.

[ChiefWahoo]

Originally Posted by kehowey

I also think the shadowing is overdone. All my players look like they haven't shaved in a couple of days. I do like the new eyes and choice of color.

Yeah, I feel you. I think it's the shadows under the hat visors that look super unnatural. They just look ugly!

[endgame]

Originally Posted by ChiefWahoo

Yeah, I feel you. I think it's the shadows under the hat visors that look super unnatural. They just look ugly!

Hmmm..I'm of the opposite opinion. I think the shadows under the visors provide a more realistic lighting. There's a few that still take me a bit by surprise that have real light marks over the eyes and are a little ghostly, but all in all, I'm pleased with the improvements. Each his own, however.

[ChiefWahoo]

Originally Posted by endgame

Hmmm..I'm of the opposite opinion. I think the shadows under the visors provide a more realistic lighting. There's a few that still take me a bit by surprise that have real light marks over the eyes and are a little ghostly, but all in all, I'm pleased with the improvements. Each his own, however.

Absolutely, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. Maybe a middle ground could be established by making the new shadowing an optional function in game.

[Quinton_Upchurch]

Originally Posted by ChiefWahoo

Absolutely, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. Maybe a middle ground could be established by making the new shadowing an optional function in game.

Prefer the cap bill shadows personally but I think if you delete the files in the facegen>hair folder you can remove them.

[zrallo]

Is the awards issue fixed? Where parenthetical numbers in the awards history refer to top-3 finishes instead of to award wins?

[afcchamp88]

I'm still having some Player of the Games that make little sense.

Player of the Game: Homer Bailey - 7 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 0 BB, 7 K, 2 HR given up. It's a decent day and all, quality start, but a no decision.

The obvious is Brandon Phillips - 3 for 5, 2B, 4 RBI including the walk off winner.

[thevaliantx]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

My recent crankiness aside, I do thank you guys for your diligence. What is it now, three patches in just a month? No one should expect perfection of a program this complicated "out of the box" of course, but one also usually does not expect game developers to follow up so quickly and be responsive to community complaints and requests.

This is one of the things I miss about times gone by. You may not be as young as your post makes me think you are, but hear me out. You see, years and years ago one did not sell something that did not deliver as advertised. That amounted to fraud or big-time scorn from the local community. Dishonesty in business back then wasn't taken lightly. My post isn't about saying that Markus is honest, or isn't, but the fact is that in this day and age it is almost excused, by default, when something isn't as advertised, and it should never be excused. The game IS great, as a whole, but certain elements should have NEVER been implied as "working out of the box". Listed as "raw, use at your own peril", yes.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by afcchamp88

I'm still having some Player of the Games that make little sense.

Player of the Game: Homer Bailey - 7 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 0 BB, 7 K, 2 HR given up. It's a decent day and all, quality start, but a no decision.

The obvious is Brandon Phillips - 3 for 5, 2B, 4 RBI including the walk off winner.

I get a lot of this too. Some starter has a meh quality start and gets the POG while some batter goes four for five with a game winner and doesn't.

[24Rocks]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

I get a lot of this too. Some starter has a meh quality start and gets the POG while some batter goes four for five with a game winner and doesn't.

The game is giving Pitchers to much credit towards POG a setting must have been over set to pitchers or something.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by thevaliantx

This is one of the things I miss about times gone by. You may not be as young as your post makes me think you are, but hear me out. You see, years and years ago one did not sell something that did not deliver as advertised. That amounted to fraud or big-time scorn from the local community. Dishonesty in business back then wasn't taken lightly. My post isn't about saying that Markus is honest, or isn't, but the fact is that in this day and age it is almost excused, by default, when something isn't as advertised, and it should never be excused. The game IS great, as a whole, but certain elements should have NEVER been implied as "working out of the box". Listed as "raw, use at your own peril", yes.

Complete BS. I've been working in business/product development for 40+ years and the divide between management and field/technical workers with respect to product performance has always existed. Things are better now. Years and years ago snake oil salesmen were the norm and customers were expected to take it or leave it. Business ethics are advanced light years from decades ago. I've lost count of the number of times I was told to "make it work" when the correct response should have been "let's fix this". I have direct experience with product changes tied directly to profits being mandated by bean counters vs meeting customer expectations and standard quality criteria.

I'm sure we both have stories to tell but your assertion about the past is a myth in my experience. Business is far better and responsive today than it was 30 and 40 years ago. My ego wants to think I had a role in that.

Edit;

That's not to say that old practices don't exist today. It's a failing strategy though.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by RchW

Complete BS. I've been working in business/product development for 40+ years and the divide between management and field/technical workers with respect to product performance has always existed. Things are better now. Years and years ago snake oil salesmen were the norm and customers were expected to take it or leave it. Business ethics are advanced light years from decades ago. I've lost count of the number of times I was told to "make it work" when the correct response should have been "let's fix this". I have direct experience with product changes tied directly to profits being mandated by bean counters vs meeting customer expectations and standard quality criteria.

I'm sure we both have stories to tell but your assertion about the past is a myth in my experience. Business is far better and responsive today than it was 30 and 40 years ago. My ego wants to think I had a role in that.

Edit;

That's not to say that old practices don't exist today. It's a failing strategy though.

Rich:

While I am sure there is little doubt that you are correct overall, consider that he might have a point depending on which segment of the American business world is in question.

I know personally of one field where million dollar handshake deals were common a generation or two ago where now no one but a complete fool would ever attempt one because of a total collapse in business ethics, and another where a business tactic that was universally condemned as unethical a generation ago is now standard.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Rich:

While I am sure there is little doubt that you are correct overall, consider that he might have a point depending on which segment of the American business world is in question.

I know personally of one field where million dollar handshake deals were common a generation or two ago where now no one but a complete fool would ever attempt one because of a total collapse in business ethics, and another where a business tactic that was universally condemned as unethical a generation ago is now standard.

I acknowledge that. I was responding to the simplistic concept that products were universally better decades ago. Especially with respect to deliverables and quality. It is of course relative to the technology of the times.

I agree that there may be questions regarding business ethics but they are segment related (usually financial) as opposed to across the board. I do agree that individual ethics often lead a lot to be desired, but that hasn't really changed in 40 years.

On a product basis look at tires. Having easily driven 1.5 million miles or more I'd bet that I haven't had or heard of a tire blow out in the latter million. I'm sure they still occur but in microscopic proportion compared to decades ago.

[The Wolf]

You live a charmed life! I had a tire blow out last fall while driving on a lakeside road in the dark. Manufacturing defect. Fortunately I was carrying both a full size spare and a grown nephew.

And I got a new tire for free.

[troyholl99]

Originally Posted by Qrashman

Same with me. I can access the SQL Dump screen but the dropdown box for all the "tools" is gone. I'm logged in as commish. I'm on a mac.

Edit: One thing of note. A different commissioner simmed yesterday, then I updated to the latest league file. My guess is that the other simmer is not updated to the latest patch (I am) and that's causing the issue. I had someone that is NOT patched load the file, log in as commissioner and it works fine.

Edit #2: The same simmer patched and then simmed again today and uploaded the file. So we are both on the same version of OOTP 15.2.8. The problem still exists. The "tools" dropdown is gone.

SAME here! I'm trying to get ready for a draft using Statslab and suddenly can't export the data to it..... help.... any other fixes other than going back to an older patch level?

[huskerfan4life]

on the bottom of my ootp screen it says 15.2 but i downloaded and installed the file so how can i tell if I have the .8 version

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by huskerfan4life

on the bottom of my ootp screen it says 15.2 but i downloaded and installed the file so how can i tell if I have the .8 version

You may be overlooking the "Build 8" portion, which is the ".8" in 15.2.8.

[huskerfan4life]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

You may be overlooking the "Build 8" portion, which is the ".8" in 15.2.8.

ok I see it, thanks very much for the image I was just missing it