Why so sad?

madball6 · 05-15-2014, 02:54 AM

Still pretty new to ootp, I have a relief pitcher who is angry at his role and his performance.... He is a recent call up, maybe 4 weeks ML time, has a .92 ERA in 19.2 innings. His expectations are ML reliever and he's happy with transactions (im assuming because of the recent call up) I'm just trying to figure out why this dude is angry. Any ideas? He's a hi stamina guy, was a minor league starter, but his expectations clearly say expected role reliever, any help would be appreciated

-madball

JMDurron · 05-15-2014, 09:33 AM

Is his name Alfredo Aceves? He might just be completely bonkers.

Oddities like this are why I play without personalities/morale.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 05-15-2014, 10:26 AM

If he was really angry for a long time in the minors, it could take a while for his overall morale rating to increase. The rating itself is actually just a number that gets translated into the text you see in the game, and my understanding is that it can only move a little bit each day, so his number was probably just really, really, really negative. If you want, you can go into the editor in commish mode and reset his morale to be something more neutral.

rpriske · 05-15-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JMDurron

Oddities like this are why I play without personalities/morale.

Oddities like this are why I play with personalities/morale.

People are not machines. They are not always rational.

JohnHoward · 05-15-2014, 11:03 AM

Because the game does not have an indicator for "petulant" and every bullpen in MLB has at least one of those guys.

OakDragon · 05-15-2014, 01:06 PM

If it were me, I'd just go with it. Maybe his dog pooped in his slippers. Every personality/mood factor need not have a baseball-related explanation, as far as I'm concerned.

The Wolf · 05-15-2014, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JMDurron

Is his name Alfredo Aceves? He might just be completely bonkers.

Oddities like this are why I play without personalities/morale.

Exactly.

JMDurron · 05-15-2014, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rpriske

Oddities like this are why I play with personalities/morale.

People are not machines. They are not always rational.

Hence my Aceves reference. I am aware of this.

byzeil · 05-15-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rpriske

oddities like this are why i play with personalities/morale.

People are not machines. They are not always rational.

+1

There are some people that are never happy.

Carlton · 05-15-2014, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnHoward

Because the game does not have an indicator for "petulant" and every bullpen in MLB has at least one of those guys.

Exactly, just think of him as an OOTP Forum member

gbwitheyes · 05-15-2014, 02:47 PM

I could pull together a storyline where your PITA player is diagnosed bipolar, subsequently treated, becomes a great closer, struggles with his new fame, finally cracks and disappears, until a decade later when a lowly scout finds him playing in a townball league.

Or you could just turn off personalities / morale.

megamanmatt · 05-15-2014, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlton

Exactly, just think of him as an OOTP Forum member

And here I thought I was the only one who thought that.

JohnHoward · 05-15-2014, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlton

Exactly, just think of him as an OOTP Forum member

I prefer "fractious" or "recalcitrant" to "petulant" if you don't mind. Or even if you do.

beorn · 05-15-2014, 08:55 PM

The only time I really get upset about player mood is when some marginal guy gets called up to the majors, gets to play, and performs well for a stretch. And his mood is negative.

You can explain the under-the-hood mechanism but that doesn't make it believable.

Almost any other scenario -- including a guy who says he wants to be a relief pitcher, being a relief pitcher, and being angry -- I can imagine people like that.

JohnHoward · 05-16-2014, 01:07 AM

Matt Stairs. He was lucky to even be in the big leagues and he was pissed off every second of his entire career, even when he was playing well. Sorry, hitting well. He didn't really "play". Steve Kemp was another one.

slugga27 · 05-16-2014, 01:52 AM

Surprised no one brought this up...on the pitching rotation screen, does he have an assigned role in the bullpen? This is something I've noticed over the past few years. Even if you're using him normally, if he has his role listed as "none specified" on that screen, "he" will take it to mean that he's riding the bench.

madball6 · 05-16-2014, 05:19 PM

Since he's a hi stamina former AAA starter, i put him in a long relief with a secondary as middle relief. His stuff is 77, mov is 67 con 68, with a 71 stam (0-100 rating system). He's mainly there to save my better relievers when my starter gets lit up in the first few innings, or to mop up blowouts.

05-15-2014, 02:54 AM	#1
madball6 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 28	Why so sad? Still pretty new to ootp, I have a relief pitcher who is angry at his role and his performance.... He is a recent call up, maybe 4 weeks ML time, has a .92 ERA in 19.2 innings. His expectations are ML reliever and he's happy with transactions (im assuming because of the recent call up) I'm just trying to figure out why this dude is angry. Any ideas? He's a hi stamina guy, was a minor league starter, but his expectations clearly say expected role reliever, any help would be appreciated -madball

05-15-2014, 10:26 AM	#3
Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,119	If he was really angry for a long time in the minors, it could take a while for his overall morale rating to increase. The rating itself is actually just a number that gets translated into the text you see in the game, and my understanding is that it can only move a little bit each day, so his number was probably just really, really, really negative. If you want, you can go into the editor in commish mode and reset his morale to be something more neutral. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason

05-15-2014, 08:55 PM	#14
beorn All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: near Rochester, NY Posts: 1,269	The only time I really get upset about player mood is when some marginal guy gets called up to the majors, gets to play, and performs well for a stretch. And his mood is negative. You can explain the under-the-hood mechanism but that doesn't make it believable. Almost any other scenario -- including a guy who says he wants to be a relief pitcher, being a relief pitcher, and being angry -- I can imagine people like that. __________________ Commish of Dog Days Baseball Commish Pennant Chase Baseball League (PCBL) Commish and Blue Jays GM Extra Innings Baseball

05-15-2014, 09:33 AM	#2
JMDurron All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,262	Is his name Alfredo Aceves? He might just be completely bonkers. Oddities like this are why I play without personalities/morale.

05-15-2014, 11:03 AM	#5
JohnHoward All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 624	Because the game does not have an indicator for "petulant" and every bullpen in MLB has at least one of those guys.

05-15-2014, 01:06 PM	#6
OakDragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Jose, CA USA Posts: 3,494	If it were me, I'd just go with it. Maybe his dog pooped in his slippers. Every personality/mood factor need not have a baseball-related explanation, as far as I'm concerned.

05-15-2014, 02:47 PM	#11
gbwitheyes Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 271	I could pull together a storyline where your PITA player is diagnosed bipolar, subsequently treated, becomes a great closer, struggles with his new fame, finally cracks and disappears, until a decade later when a lowly scout finds him playing in a townball league. Or you could just turn off personalities / morale.

05-16-2014, 01:07 AM	#15
JohnHoward All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 624	Matt Stairs. He was lucky to even be in the big leagues and he was pissed off every second of his entire career, even when he was playing well. Sorry, hitting well. He didn't really "play". Steve Kemp was another one.

05-16-2014, 01:52 AM	#16
slugga27 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,272	Surprised no one brought this up...on the pitching rotation screen, does he have an assigned role in the bullpen? This is something I've noticed over the past few years. Even if you're using him normally, if he has his role listed as "none specified" on that screen, "he" will take it to mean that he's riding the bench.

05-16-2014, 05:19 PM	#17
madball6 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 28	Since he's a hi stamina former AAA starter, i put him in a long relief with a secondary as middle relief. His stuff is 77, mov is 67 con 68, with a 71 stam (0-100 rating system). He's mainly there to save my better relievers when my starter gets lit up in the first few innings, or to mop up blowouts.