How are the rookie leagues ranked?

MrWideFrame · 05-06-2014, 11:20 PM

I am downright confused as to which rookie leagues are ranked in higher in this game. In my Cardinals season my drafted players are sent to the DSL. Now in my Astros season my drafted players are sent to the GCL. What is perplexing is that both the Astros and Cardinals have rookie teams in the GCL and the DSL. So what is the lowest level of rookie ball according to this game? I want to properly manage my rookie leagues and I am confused to the max right now.

How are they ranked IN GAME?

Questdog · 05-06-2014, 11:25 PM

All Rookie level leagues are equal in the game with no distinction between them.

MrWideFrame · 05-06-2014, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

All Rookie level leagues are equal in the game with no distinction between them.

Really? Are you saying the computer AI does not place more talented players in certain leagues like the Appalachian League?

Questdog · 05-07-2014, 01:10 AM

Really. How would the game know that the Appalachian League is supposed to be more advanced than the Gulf Coast League?......They are both labeled the same and to the game they ARE they same......

P.S. For this reason, it is not a good idea to give the AI two teams at the same minor league level. The AI will keep switching players from one team to the other. If all the AI teams have two teams at the A level, for instance, as they do in the MLB start, you have a good shot at getting a batting titlist with a .265 average because he was the only one to qualify, as everyone else spent half the year in the other A league.

MrWideFrame · 05-07-2014, 01:18 AM

Mmm ok. Interesting. I've seen guys struggle in one league and then excel in another when I move them. Also, the ratings in the Appalachian league tend to be higher than the other leagues. This is evident if you compare a players ratings relative to a league.

Edit: I am pretty sure the game does treat some of the A levels differently. For example the Florida State League has been more competitive than the Midwest League through 2021 in my Cardinals season.

Questdog · 05-07-2014, 01:29 AM

If a player's relative ratings are higher in the Appalachian League than the Gulf Coast League, then that means the Gulf Coast League is tougher competition. And if so, it is just random. Will not be consistent through the years.

MrWideFrame · 05-07-2014, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

If a player's relative ratings are higher in the Appalachian League than the Gulf Coast League, then that means the Gulf Coast League is tougher competition. And if so, it is just random. Will not be consistent through the years.

No, the other way around.

I know I may have worded it awkwardly but that is not what I meant.

Questdog · 05-07-2014, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MrWideFrame

No, the other way around.

I know I may have worded it awkwardly but that is not what I meant.

Either way, it's just random.

Questdog · 05-07-2014, 01:57 AM

Upon further reflection I have thought of a possibility that MIGHT make one of the two teams at the same level for an organization consistently better than the other. But this is just conjecture.

If the AI tends to assign players to the team with the lower ID number before the one with the higher ID number, the lower ID numbered team would likely be better in the long run than the other one. Or some other quirk such as this that tends to let one team get first pick of the players, like alphabetical or some such.

But it would have nothing to do with one team being considered the more advanced team.

The Wolf · 05-07-2014, 02:09 AM

In real life, the Pioneer League and Appalachian League are considered to be a rung up from the Gulf Coast League and Arizona League. See Appalachian League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Questdog · 05-07-2014, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

In real life, the Pioneer League and Appalachian League are considered to be a rung up from the Gulf Coast League and Arizona League. See Appalachian League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ya don't say.....

MrWideFrame · 05-07-2014, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

Upon further reflection I have thought of a possibility that MIGHT make one of the two teams at the same level for an organization consistently better than the other. But this is just conjecture.

If the AI tends to assign players to the team with the lower ID number before the one with the higher ID number, the lower ID numbered team would likely be better in the long run than the other one. Or some other quirk such as this that tends to let one team get first pick of the players, like alphabetical or some such.

But it would have nothing to do with one team being considered the more advanced team.

This information would be very useful. Thanks for your responses.

MrWideFrame · 05-07-2014, 02:59 AM

FWIW a player in the DSL with a green arrow indicating he should moved up to a higher level got moved to the APP League and the green arrow went away.

Fyrestorm3 · 05-07-2014, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MrWideFrame

FWIW a player in the DSL with a green arrow indicating he should moved up to a higher level got moved to the APP League and the green arrow went away.

Now that's interesting, but I'm going to offer a guess here - since the player in question has no stats with his current team or league after being transferred, the game no longer knows if he should be sent up or down, and thus the arrow goes away. Not positive of course, but it would make sense.

Le Grande Orange · 05-07-2014, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

In real life, the Pioneer League and Appalachian League are considered to be a rung up from the Gulf Coast League and Arizona League. See Appalachian League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That certainly used to be the case. I'm not so sure that's really the case anymore, at least in practice. There isn't a 1:1 ratio of MLB clubs to affiliates at either level (30:18 for Appalachian/Pioneer and 30:29 for Arizona/Gulf Coast). There was also the following MLB rules change from 2008 as recounted in this MLB.com article:

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In Thursday's other rule change, Rule 51 concerning limits on Minor League service time eliminated the distinction between the levels Rookie, where the limit had been two years, and Rookie Advanced, where players could be kept for three years. Henceforth, the three-year limit will apply to both.

This would seem to indicate that, functionally at least, the two levels are largely indistinguishable.

bwburke94 · 05-07-2014, 04:52 AM

In the MLB quickstart, the Pioneer and Appalachian Leagues have higher player-creation modifiers than the Arizona and Gulf Coast Leagues, which means the AI sees the PIO/APP as more advanced.

deknegt · 05-07-2014, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MrWideFrame

FWIW a player in the DSL with a green arrow indicating he should moved up to a higher level got moved to the APP League and the green arrow went away.

I never knew that the arrows meant that. I always thought it had something to do with skill development or player form.

Thanks.

Bub13 · 05-07-2014, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by deknegt

I never knew that the arrows meant that. I always thought it had something to do with skill development or player form.

Thanks.

I figured that's what it meant, but I wonder why a guy (pitcher) on my AA team, who's ratings are nearly good enough for the MLB, has a red arrow next to his name. Am I killing his development by leaving in AA rather than moving him down?

Regarding the rookie leagues, the AI always puts guys I've traded for in the same rookie-level team, regardless of skill level. Might be apropos of nothing, but there it is anyway.

pjh5165 · 05-07-2014, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bub13

Regarding the rookie leagues, the AI always puts guys I've traded for in the same rookie-level team, regardless of skill level. Might be apropos of nothing, but there it is anyway.

Yeah don't worry, that's something different than what this thread is talking about. When you acquire players who aren't on the 40-man roster in trades, the AI just sends them to your lowest minor league level no matter what. You can reassign them from there.

Bub13 · 05-07-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pjh5165

Yeah don't worry, that's something different than what this thread is talking about. When you acquire players who aren't on the 40-man roster in trades, the AI just sends them to your lowest minor league level no matter what. You can reassign them from there.

Yep, I figured it out the second or third time it happened.

Apologies for the threadjacking.

05-06-2014, 11:20 PM	#1
MrWideFrame Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 224	How are the rookie leagues ranked? I am downright confused as to which rookie leagues are ranked in higher in this game. In my Cardinals season my drafted players are sent to the DSL. Now in my Astros season my drafted players are sent to the GCL. What is perplexing is that both the Astros and Cardinals have rookie teams in the GCL and the DSL. So what is the lowest level of rookie ball according to this game? I want to properly manage my rookie leagues and I am confused to the max right now. How are they ranked IN GAME?

05-07-2014, 01:10 AM	#4
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Really. How would the game know that the Appalachian League is supposed to be more advanced than the Gulf Coast League?......They are both labeled the same and to the game they ARE they same...... P.S. For this reason, it is not a good idea to give the AI two teams at the same minor league level. The AI will keep switching players from one team to the other. If all the AI teams have two teams at the A level, for instance, as they do in the MLB start, you have a good shot at getting a batting titlist with a .265 average because he was the only one to qualify, as everyone else spent half the year in the other A league. Last edited by Questdog; 05-07-2014 at 01:15 AM.

05-07-2014, 01:18 AM	#5
MrWideFrame Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 224	Mmm ok. Interesting. I've seen guys struggle in one league and then excel in another when I move them. Also, the ratings in the Appalachian league tend to be higher than the other leagues. This is evident if you compare a players ratings relative to a league. Edit: I am pretty sure the game does treat some of the A levels differently. For example the Florida State League has been more competitive than the Midwest League through 2021 in my Cardinals season. Last edited by MrWideFrame; 05-07-2014 at 01:30 AM.

05-06-2014, 11:25 PM	#2
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	All Rookie level leagues are equal in the game with no distinction between them.

05-07-2014, 01:29 AM	#6
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	If a player's relative ratings are higher in the Appalachian League than the Gulf Coast League, then that means the Gulf Coast League is tougher competition. And if so, it is just random. Will not be consistent through the years.

05-07-2014, 01:57 AM	#9
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Upon further reflection I have thought of a possibility that MIGHT make one of the two teams at the same level for an organization consistently better than the other. But this is just conjecture. If the AI tends to assign players to the team with the lower ID number before the one with the higher ID number, the lower ID numbered team would likely be better in the long run than the other one. Or some other quirk such as this that tends to let one team get first pick of the players, like alphabetical or some such. But it would have nothing to do with one team being considered the more advanced team.

05-07-2014, 02:59 AM	#13
MrWideFrame Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 224	FWIW a player in the DSL with a green arrow indicating he should moved up to a higher level got moved to the APP League and the green arrow went away.

05-07-2014, 04:52 AM	#16
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,504	In the MLB quickstart, the Pioneer and Appalachian Leagues have higher player-creation modifiers than the Arizona and Gulf Coast Leagues, which means the AI sees the PIO/APP as more advanced.