Thoughts - Suggestions - from a member here since 2001 - Page 2

stangedaze23 · 04-22-2014, 07:11 PM

I am new to OOTP, 15 is my first go round, I have played baseball sim games in the past, including BBM 2010 most recently. I think the management system in OTTP is great, best I have seen, which is the reason I picked it up. However, the graphical showing of the game is below average. In other games you can see the flight of the ball in the 2d world and get a sense of how hard and far it was hit. Heck, microleague baseball had it back in the 80s. I think the 3d, once they work out the kinks, will be fantastic, but I see no reason why the ball path in the other modes is not more dynamic. Even in game casts on the web for years have had a 3d ball flight while the rest of the presentation is similar to what we see in OOTP.

RchW · 04-22-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas718

While I would like a full on-field game like The Show to be available for PC, I'm not sure I want OOTP to be that game. I've bought it since OOTP3 and have grown to love it the way it is. I'm sure a lot of others have too. I think it is a stretch to say that a graphical representation is "absolutely critical for the continued viability of the product". I don't think the game would have lasted through 15+ versions if this was true.

The radio thing, to me, sounds like one of those ideas that initially seems great. And then when you consider the amount of time and expense that would be required to pull something like that off, and do it so that it sounds natural and doesn't become repetitive, it just seems like a tremendous amount of work for something that I don't think a lot of people would use. Personally, I might give it a try but then I'd probably turn it off after a few games. I like to play my games out quickly and I see this as something that would drag a 15 minute game out to an hour or more as you constantly wait for the announcer to catch up to the action on the field.

I don't understand this point at all:

Are you saying that one of the teams will have a drastic ratings change in the post-season?

Yeah I find this bizarre.

mgom27 · 04-22-2014, 08:25 PM

Other Games are good for Live Play by Play but they are came on CD or DVD Rom. Also if could hook up with like ESPN or so on would be good. Game is good but missing like Minor League Evaluation Nd so on.

JMDurron · 04-22-2014, 09:06 PM

The addition of licensing would not be worth what would be lost. I agree with the pushback against that suggestion.

I'm neutral on the 3D in-game experience. I'm sure I'd enjoy it, but I'm sure I'd rather the roster and management-related issues, bugs, and/or features be addressed instead, and there IS a tradeoff involved at some point in development, even if the main coders are different people.

As for the Power Rankings, well...two teams started 11-0. My Red Sox also have a 172.3 rating on May 31st, but the number in the screenshot is my personal high water mark.

Poweshow · 04-22-2014, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

Odd choice of words... 'sounded'. Especially since as text it doesn't sound like a damn thing. Thus any sound you pull out of it is completely and totally of your own mental fabrication. If we're going to share things we don't like however I'd like to point out I'm not a fan of jumping on a guy for sharing his opinion because of their own imagined slights or inability to read anything longer than a paragraph. If we're sharing that is.....

Hop into a bookstore sometime, there are thousands, maybe even millions of written words that all have a tone to them. Shocking, I know.

trose · 04-22-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

No, you and I are sharing nothing, that's for sure. And what an odd thing to be picayune about, that his post "sounded" patronizing and condescending to me. At least his post was not inane, unlike yours. Asshat. My gosh, how old are you?

Rule invoked: Stupid, personally insulting post = Ignore List. Another one bites the dust.

I got the same tone from the OP. Just saying, warning every bit deserved Megamanmatt.

The Wolf · 04-22-2014, 09:29 PM

Look, if you want a baseball game with great graphics then you should go pick up a copy of MLB The Show 14. If you start a franchise and run the games in manager mode with quick counts on, you get one hell of a game, and perfect graphics.

It's a great game.

megamanmatt · 04-22-2014, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Poweshow

Hop into a bookstore sometime, there are thousands, maybe even millions of written words that all have a tone to them. Shocking, I know.

Which is why in every written text that has ever been assembled and complied there has never, ever, in all of human history, been multiple interpretations of the same text. Ever.

megamanmatt · 04-22-2014, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by trose

I got the same tone from the OP. Just saying, warning every bit deserved Megamanmatt.

I assure you I'll cry over the warning. I have no idea how in the world I'll ever be able to sleep tonight. It's just a soul crushing.... oh wait it's a message forum.

majesty95 · 04-22-2014, 09:40 PM

While I may not have used the same adjectives (ie asshat lol) I do think that people should be allowed to speak their mind without the PC police reprimanding them. Not everyone has the same way of expressing their thoughts through words. Their may have been some frustration on the OP part to with how he viewed the game. We are all entitled to have our own expectations and desires for the game and as long as we make a concerted effort not to be trolls, fanboys or chronic complainers, we should all be given the respect to state those opinions whether others agree with them or not.

One of the things I like about this forum versus many others is that there isn't a lot of kiddy craziness. However, when established members decide to troll someone because they didn't like their "tone" and draw attention to that and away from the actual intent behind the post it does allow these forums to occasionally deviate towards those other kinds of boards. We shouldn't be afraid to speak our mind constructively and with passion for the product for fear that some forum do gooders will berate us because we choose to articulate our thoughts differently than they. Its just not good for the site or the game we have so much passion for.

Statsman1 · 04-22-2014, 09:51 PM

A guy who gives us his background, explains his point of view, takes screenshots to back up his opinions and writes a post that obviously took a fair amount of time to write deserves to have his post read and respected.

I find that written messages can be interpreted in all sorts of different ways, some of which are influenced by my own mood and state of mind at the time, which is why I try not to react to anyone's message too quickly, even if I agree with it.

Everyone who posts here expresses his points of view, and some ask Markus to do things, to NOT do things, to tweak and change things...and not everyone wants Markus to do some of these things, and not everyone agrees that Markus should do these things, but ultimately, Markus seems to be a pretty good judge of what he needs to do to keep OOTP moving forward, and it's fair to say, after 15 iterations, we can trust him.

I would not suggest for a second what tone the OP was trying to get across - it doesn't matter to me if he was trying to be condescending, informative, whatever. Who cares? What he wrote, what he suggests, and how he feels about the game is all that matters as it is written, and if nobody can do that without having his intentions and motives guessed at and tossed about like he isn't even in the room, and subjected to interpretation by people who couldn't have any idea WHAT his tone was meant to be, we won't have a forum, we'll have a flame room, and nobody will show up.

As a last point - when trolls and other vermin come in to spew condescending, mean and juvenile bilge just to inflame the masses, don't they make it a little more blatantly obvious?

The Wolf · 04-22-2014, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

i assure you i'll cry over the warning. I have no idea how in the world i'll ever be able to sleep tonight. It's just a soul crushing.... Oh wait it's a message forum.

ROFL. Nailed it.

The Wolf · 04-22-2014, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Statsman1

when trolls and other vermin come in to spew condescending, mean and juvenile bilge just to inflame the masses, don't they make it a little more blatantly obvious?

Some honest and open ones do, because that's their nature. But trolls and vermin also come in many other flavors, like deceptive, subtle and cryptic. Not everyone who appears to be condescending is a troll; not everyone who appears to be reasonable on the surface is not one.

skywalkr2 · 04-22-2014, 10:21 PM

I play for the simulation. I do not care a bit about 3d or audio. So I am happy as a clam with the way it works now. My biggest draw is adding new rules to fully simulate all the foreign leagues.

Poweshow · 04-22-2014, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

Odd choice of words... 'sounded'. Especially since as text it doesn't sound like a damn thing.

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

Which is why in every written text that has ever been assembled and complied there has never, ever, in all of human history, been multiple interpretations of the same text. Ever.

So originally text doesn't have any tone to it, now you are sarcastically stating that in all of the text ever written, many have different interpretations. If tone is the same for all text as you originally implied, how can there be so many different interpretations?

I ask knowing full well that you clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about at this point.

trose · 04-22-2014, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

I assure you I'll cry over the warning. I have no idea how in the world I'll ever be able to sleep tonight. It's just a soul crushing.... oh wait it's a message forum.

Point taken.

megamanmatt · 04-22-2014, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Poweshow

So originally text doesn't have any tone to it, now you are sarcastically stating that in all of the text ever written, many have different interpretations. If tone is the same for all text as you originally implied, how can there be so many different interpretations?

So considering it wasn't sarcasm at what point do you give up? Exactly how wrong do you need to be? I just want to get us there as quick as possible.

The Wolf · 04-22-2014, 11:18 PM

Matt, you're absolutely killing me here.

Poweshow · 04-22-2014, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

So considering it wasn't sarcasm at what point do you give up? Exactly how wrong do you need to be? I just want to get us there as quick as possible.

Apparently you're not smart enough to understand that I was being sarcastic about your sarcasm. Such a simple mind.

The Wolf · 04-22-2014, 11:29 PM

Actually he really is smarter than that. You might consider that there might be a third level of sarcasm going on that you may have overlooked.

04-22-2014, 08:25 PM	#23
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,536	Other Games are good for Live Play by Play but they are came on CD or DVD Rom. Also if could hook up with like ESPN or so on would be good. Game is good but missing like Minor League Evaluation Nd so on. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

04-22-2014, 09:06 PM	#24
JMDurron All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,260	The addition of licensing would not be worth what would be lost. I agree with the pushback against that suggestion. I'm neutral on the 3D in-game experience. I'm sure I'd enjoy it, but I'm sure I'd rather the roster and management-related issues, bugs, and/or features be addressed instead, and there IS a tradeoff involved at some point in development, even if the main coders are different people. As for the Power Rankings, well...two teams started 11-0. My Red Sox also have a 172.3 rating on May 31st, but the number in the screenshot is my personal high water mark. Attached Images

04-22-2014, 09:40 PM	#30
majesty95 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,790	While I may not have used the same adjectives (ie asshat lol) I do think that people should be allowed to speak their mind without the PC police reprimanding them. Not everyone has the same way of expressing their thoughts through words. Their may have been some frustration on the OP part to with how he viewed the game. We are all entitled to have our own expectations and desires for the game and as long as we make a concerted effort not to be trolls, fanboys or chronic complainers, we should all be given the respect to state those opinions whether others agree with them or not. One of the things I like about this forum versus many others is that there isn't a lot of kiddy craziness. However, when established members decide to troll someone because they didn't like their "tone" and draw attention to that and away from the actual intent behind the post it does allow these forums to occasionally deviate towards those other kinds of boards. We shouldn't be afraid to speak our mind constructively and with passion for the product for fear that some forum do gooders will berate us because we choose to articulate our thoughts differently than they. Its just not good for the site or the game we have so much passion for. __________________ College Football Sim League

04-22-2014, 09:51 PM	#31
Statsman1 Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Marmora, Ontario, Canada Posts: 340	A guy who gives us his background, explains his point of view, takes screenshots to back up his opinions and writes a post that obviously took a fair amount of time to write deserves to have his post read and respected. I find that written messages can be interpreted in all sorts of different ways, some of which are influenced by my own mood and state of mind at the time, which is why I try not to react to anyone's message too quickly, even if I agree with it. Everyone who posts here expresses his points of view, and some ask Markus to do things, to NOT do things, to tweak and change things...and not everyone wants Markus to do some of these things, and not everyone agrees that Markus should do these things, but ultimately, Markus seems to be a pretty good judge of what he needs to do to keep OOTP moving forward, and it's fair to say, after 15 iterations, we can trust him. I would not suggest for a second what tone the OP was trying to get across - it doesn't matter to me if he was trying to be condescending, informative, whatever. Who cares? What he wrote, what he suggests, and how he feels about the game is all that matters as it is written, and if nobody can do that without having his intentions and motives guessed at and tossed about like he isn't even in the room, and subjected to interpretation by people who couldn't have any idea WHAT his tone was meant to be, we won't have a forum, we'll have a flame room, and nobody will show up. As a last point - when trolls and other vermin come in to spew condescending, mean and juvenile bilge just to inflame the masses, don't they make it a little more blatantly obvious? __________________ Statsman1

04-22-2014, 07:11 PM	#21
stangedaze23 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 21	I am new to OOTP, 15 is my first go round, I have played baseball sim games in the past, including BBM 2010 most recently. I think the management system in OTTP is great, best I have seen, which is the reason I picked it up. However, the graphical showing of the game is below average. In other games you can see the flight of the ball in the 2d world and get a sense of how hard and far it was hit. Heck, microleague baseball had it back in the 80s. I think the 3d, once they work out the kinks, will be fantastic, but I see no reason why the ball path in the other modes is not more dynamic. Even in game casts on the web for years have had a 3d ball flight while the rest of the presentation is similar to what we see in OOTP.

04-22-2014, 10:21 PM	#34
skywalkr2 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 438	I play for the simulation. I do not care a bit about 3d or audio. So I am happy as a clam with the way it works now. My biggest draw is adding new rules to fully simulate all the foreign leagues.