Draftee Negotiations are finally realistic!!!

[stevens84]

So, I drafted a college SP with a bonus demand of $1.4M in the 3rd round. I saw his signability was "Impossible" but didn't think much of it. Now, I haven't signed him, my 4th, 6th, or 7th round picks, as they all broke off negotiations after my first offer.

All of the offers were what they demanded, so I'm starting to like this new OOTP more and more by the minute.

Thanks for making it a little harder here and there Markus, much appreciated!

[Tyler87898]

So if they are stated as impossible, even if I meet their demands, they still won't accept? I haven't got to a draft yet so I haven't tried it out. There's no point in drafting an "impossible" player? Or is there a slight chance I can keep him if I pay over his demands?

I know this question is pretty much just restating what you just said, but just makin sure.

[jmarsh123]

Originally Posted by Tyler87898

So if they are stated as impossible, even if I meet their demands, they still won't accept? I haven't got to a draft yet so I haven't tried it out. There's no point in drafting an "impossible" player? Or is there a slight chance I can keep him if I pay over his demands?

I know this question is pretty much just restating what you just said, but just makin sure.

I just did my first draft and drafted 3 guys who were listed as impossible. I offered them all over their bonus to various degrees. One signed and two broke off negotiations.

[injury log]

"Impossible" isn't really the best wording here, in my opinion. These players in OOTP are supposed to be like the real life guys who have such strong commitments to college or other sports or whatever that teams don't ever get an accurate idea of their bonus demands - teams just know these players will need a lot of money. So 'Unknown' might be a better word (both for the player's signability and for his bonus requirement), with the understanding that this means 'Unknown, but very hard to sign'. You'll definitely need to overshoot their demand, but by how much will depend on the player, and they won't listen to very many offers.

[stevens84]

Originally Posted by Tyler87898

So if they are stated as impossible, even if I meet their demands, they still won't accept? I haven't got to a draft yet so I haven't tried it out. There's no point in drafting an "impossible" player? Or is there a slight chance I can keep him if I pay over his demands?

I know this question is pretty much just restating what you just said, but just makin sure.

I offered a 3rd rounder $1.4M (his demand)…he didn't sign
I offered a 4th rounder $1.1M (his demand)…he didn't sign
I offered a 6th rounder $2.1M (his demand)…he didn't sign
I offered a 7th rounder $1.6M (his demand)…he didn't sign

All were "Impossible" signings for my Padres team, and broke off after my first offer. So it does in fact look like "Impossible" players may be a waste of time and a high pick.

As injury stated…these guys have the strong college commitment…or want to finish their degree in college. Take a look at Jameis Winston, he was taken in the 15th round by the Rangers. He was really a 3rd round talent, but the amount of $$$ it would have taken to get him to sign was not worth the high pick.

Tying to lure guys away from a strong commitment it very tough in real life, and I love the fact that OOTP now does that in game.

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by stevens84

I offered a 3rd rounder $1.4M (his demand)…he didn't sign

I offered a 4th rounder $1.1M (his demand)…he didn't sign

I offered a 6th rounder $2.1M (his demand)…he didn't sign

I offered a 7th rounder $1.6M (his demand)…he didn't sign



All were "Impossible" signings for my Padres team, and broke off after my first offer. So it does in fact look like "Impossible" players may be a waste of time and a high pick.



As injury stated…these guys have the strong college commitment…or want to finish their degree in college. Take a look at Jameis Winston, he was taken in the 15th round by the Rangers. He was really a 3rd round talent, but the amount of $$$ it would have taken to get him to sign was not worth the high pick.



Tying to lure guys away from a strong commitment it very tough in real life, and I love the fact that OOTP now does that in game.

Next step is to make these guys apear in the draft 3-4 years later instead of the following year or better yet include a "official" NCAA feeder league.

I currently retire the high schoolers who fail to sign then select a few 4 years later to unretire and make then available in the draft manually

[RchW]

Originally Posted by stevens84

I offered a 3rd rounder $1.4M (his demand)…he didn't sign
I offered a 4th rounder $1.1M (his demand)…he didn't sign
I offered a 6th rounder $2.1M (his demand)…he didn't sign
I offered a 7th rounder $1.6M (his demand)…he didn't sign

All were "Impossible" signings for my Padres team, and broke off after my first offer. So it does in fact look like "Impossible" players may be a waste of time and a high pick.

As injury stated…these guys have the strong college commitment…or want to finish their degree in college. Take a look at Jameis Winston, he was taken in the 15th round by the Rangers. He was really a 3rd round talent, but the amount of $$$ it would have taken to get him to sign was not worth the high pick.

Tying to lure guys away from a strong commitment it very tough in real life, and I love the fact that OOTP now does that in game.

Is it just me, does anyone else find $1M+ for 6th and 7th round DP completely off the wall?

[stevens84]

Originally Posted by RchW

Is it just me, does anyone else find $1M+ for 6th and 7th round DP completely off the wall?

Yeah, it was a little high, but they were both very good high school arms and had a chance to develop into at least a late inning reliever.

[stevens84]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Next step is to make these guys apear in the draft 3-4 years later instead of the following year or better yet include a "official" NCAA feeder league.

I currently retire the high schoolers who fail to sign then select a few 4 years later to unretire and make then available in the draft manually

How to you manually make them draft eligible?

[Mantush]

With regards to the draft-

In a default Major League quickstart, does OOTP now mirror the draft pool bonuses and all the rules that come with?

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by stevens84

How to you manually make them draft eligible?

Just un-retire them before the draft list are revealed. That's what I do.

I thought they would become FA's but they end up in the draft (this how it was in '14)

[stevens84]

Originally Posted by Mantush

With regards to the draft-

In a default Major League quickstart, does OOTP now mirror the draft pool bonuses and all the rules that come with?

Not yet, we're probably still a few versions off for that type of detail

[Walsh06]

So this seems appropriate place to stick this. After the draft and you go to the negotiate with draftees screen, was anyone else given a blank screen. I had no draftees there and was unable to negotiate with anyone. At the deadline then they all left and were gone to go into the draft again next year.

[jmarsh123]

Originally Posted by jmarsh123

I just did my first draft and drafted 3 guys who were listed as impossible. I offered them all over their bonus to various degrees. One signed and two broke off negotiations.

Addendum: The guy I drafted in the 25th round and turned down $2M showed up again in the draft the next year and I drafted him again in the 7th round and he signed for slot. His Intelligence was Low.

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Next step is to make these guys apear in the draft 3-4 years later instead of the following year or better yet include a "official" NCAA feeder league.

I currently retire the high schoolers who fail to sign then select a few 4 years later to unretire and make then available in the draft manually

I setup (in v14) both HS and COL feeder leagues (and often Junior COL) and when a player enters the draft from the HS feeder and fails to sign he goes on to COL and doesn't re-enter the draft until he finishes COL (4 years for COL and 2 years for JCOL). The only time I see them in the draft the year after they fail to sign is when they fail to sign out of college,

I will say I haven't checked 100% of players who fail to sign but everyone who I have seen re-enter the draft has done this.

Edit: I first saw this behavior back in v12

Edit2: Here is a post and screenshot of this from v13

[stevens84]

Originally Posted by Walsh06

So this seems appropriate place to stick this. After the draft and you go to the negotiate with draftees screen, was anyone else given a blank screen. I had no draftees there and was unable to negotiate with anyone. At the deadline then they all left and were gone to go into the draft again next year.

I actually had that problem in my fictional league. I think it occurs when the players aren't "released" by their COL/HS team.

I'm still investigating before I report it as a possible bug.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Next step is to make these guys apear in the draft 3-4 years later instead of the following year or better yet include a "official" NCAA feeder league.

I currently retire the high schoolers who fail to sign then select a few 4 years later to unretire and make then available in the draft manually

Working on getting the 3-4 year thing to happen. If all goes well I think we'll see it next year.

Actually I love the official feeder (background league maybe) idea as well, but I doubt Markus will ever agree to it.

[azepeda]

You can get the ones labeled "Impossible" to sign for about double their asking price give or take. So for the 4th rounder if you had offered 2 million he would have signed. The years I have extra money I draft some of the impossible ones and sign them, this works for all of them.

Originally Posted by stevens84

I offered a 3rd rounder $1.4M (his demand)…he didn't sign
I offered a 4th rounder $1.1M (his demand)…he didn't sign
I offered a 6th rounder $2.1M (his demand)…he didn't sign
I offered a 7th rounder $1.6M (his demand)…he didn't sign

All were "Impossible" signings for my Padres team, and broke off after my first offer. So it does in fact look like "Impossible" players may be a waste of time and a high pick.

As injury stated…these guys have the strong college commitment…or want to finish their degree in college. Take a look at Jameis Winston, he was taken in the 15th round by the Rangers. He was really a 3rd round talent, but the amount of $$$ it would have taken to get him to sign was not worth the high pick.

Tying to lure guys away from a strong commitment it very tough in real life, and I love the fact that OOTP now does that in game.

[Avindian]

I'd actually really like to see a "draft and follow" system in OOTP; I wonder how difficult that would be to implement?

Confirmed that you do need to offer them more than their demands to get an "Impossible" draftee to sign.

[tejdog1]

Draft and follow was abolished in... 2007, right? IRL?

What I'd like to see is actual meaningful players dropping into the 7th/8th rounds, like... 65+ potentials, like happens IRL now, who are extremely hard to sign, but it is possible, if you pay up.