Recalc question

David Watts · 03-19-2014, 11:22 AM

I have a question in regards to recalc and hopefully someone can answer it for me. When you start a historical league you pick the year you want to start with, what you want potential based on and the years used for pitching stamina and position ratings. The game then imports all the players. You then go through the rest of the setup process including the choice of whether or not you want to use recalc or the development engine. However, it isn't until the league is setup that you get the option to choose if you want 1, 3 or 5 year recalc. 3 year recalc is the default. My question is, are all leagues using recalc played under a 3 year recalc for the initial season and then changed to the users choice(for example 1 year) during the very first off season? Hopefully my question makes sense.

pstrickert · 03-19-2014, 11:50 AM

The screen on which you choose a year should also include an option for Single-Season Replay or Career. Does it not? Choosing one or the other will give you 1-year or 3-year recalc, respectively.

David Watts · 03-19-2014, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

The screen on which you choose a year should also include an option for Single-Season Replay or Career. Does it not? Choosing one or the other will give you 1-year or 3-year recalc, respectively.

Okay, but if I choose single, doesn't that lock me into exactly that, a single season? Based on your answer, does that mean there isn't a way to have a career sim in which the initial season uses 1 year recalc?

pstrickert · 03-19-2014, 12:04 PM

No. The assumption (for whatever reason) is that users will opt for 3-year recalc when running a career sim. But it is no problem at all to use 1-year recalc for a career sim. Kind of confusing, isn't it? Also, if you forget to make your choice at this early stage in the wizard, you can always change recalc later to 1-, 3-, or 5-year. The game will automatically recalculate the player ratings.

David Watts · 03-19-2014, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

No. The assumption (for whatever reason) is that users will opt for 3-year recalc when running a career sim. But it is no problem at all to use 1-year recalc for a career sim. Kind of confusing, isn't it? Also, if you forget to make your choice at this early stage in the wizard, you can always change recalc later to 1-, 3-, or 5-year. The game will automatically recalculate the player ratings.

Thanks. So the game does run the recalc at some point between initial setup and opening day? I'm thinking about trying a replay using real transactions and players missing seasons according to history. So if I start in 1905 and change things to 1 year recalc, Cobb's ratings for the season will be based on the 41 games he played that season? I've never really known when recalc takes place. For some reason I've always assumed it was sometime between the end of the season and December 31st.

pstrickert · 03-19-2014, 12:28 PM

That I'm not sure about, David. I'm not sure what exact date the recalc occurs once you've got a long-term league running. I believe you can go to the League Settings - Historical screen and change the recalc rate at any time. It will then recalculate everyone's ratings in the league. At least, it appears to.

David Watts · 03-19-2014, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

That I'm not sure about, David. I'm not sure what exact date the recalc occurs once you've got a long-term league running. I believe you can go to the League Settings - Historical screen and change the recalc rate at any time. It will then recalculate everyone's ratings in the league. At least, it appears to.

Thanks for all your help. I think what I might do is start one year prior to the year I want to and simply sim that season. Then I will know the year I'm playing is 100% using 1 year recalc.

pstrickert · 03-19-2014, 12:37 PM

If you import a season and choose 1-year recalc (or single-season replay), the ratings for that season will definitely be based on that single season. That much is clear.

Charlie Hough · 03-19-2014, 01:08 PM

If you choose 1-year recalc in the wizard when you create your game, 1-year recalc will be used from the beginning. Guaranteed. Period.

When OOTP creates historical players, it calculates their ratings based on the recalc period that was chosen during league setup.

For future seasons, recalc happens on January 1, when the league transitions out of the off-season and into the pre-season.

David Watts · 03-19-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

If you choose 1-year recalc in the wizard when you create your game, 1-year recalc will be used from the beginning. Guaranteed. Period.

When OOTP creates historical players, it calculates their ratings based on the recalc period that was chosen during league setup.

For future seasons, recalc happens on January 1, when the league transitions out of the off-season and into the pre-season.

Do I have to go into the advanced section of the wizard in order to choose 1 year recalc, because I know 1 year isn't one of the choices offered in the basic wizard?

pstrickert · 03-19-2014, 01:30 PM

Choosing "Single-Season Replay" makes it 1-year recalc. Choosing "Career Play" makes it 3-year recalc. Nothing else you need to do.

David Watts · 03-19-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

Choosing "Single-Season Replay" makes it 1-year recalc. Choosing "Career Play" makes it 3-year recalc. Nothing else you need to do.

But, doesn't single season replay limit you to playing out only 1 season?

pstrickert · 03-19-2014, 01:45 PM

No. Forget the label. Think of it as "1-yr recalc" instead.

David Watts · 03-19-2014, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

No. Forget the label. Think of it as "1-yr recalc" instead.

Wow, I've played this game forever and I always thought single season was strictly for people that wanted to play the game similar to the way Strat and Diamond Mind are played. Learn something new everyday.

pstrickert · 03-19-2014, 02:48 PM

The label is used for the sake of ex-Strat players. But it probably causes more confusion for everyone else.

"Single-season replay" works just fine for career play. "Career Play" works just fine for single-season replays. The only real difference is the recalc range.

And don't feel bad about learning something new, David. It happens to me, too. Sometimes, I'll even find myself at a screen I never knew existed before.

Charlie Hough · 03-19-2014, 02:50 PM

LOL. No, as pstrickert pointed out, maybe some of the labeling and terminology is confusing.

But single reason replay mode is a way that people who play DMB or SOM can do a single season replay based on one year of historical stats and then stop there if they want. But OOTP is designed for career games, so the software doesn't stop after one season unless you simply stop using your saved game and don't simulate any further.

You can keep playing forward and run future seasons based on a one-year recalc. If you're using real transactions and lineups, along with automatic expansion and so on, you can keep simulating seasons "strict replay style", based on the one-year recalculation. So it's like being able to continue your DMB or SOM replays all the way through baseball history, and OOTP tracks all the stats, records, and history for you. There's no need to compile stats to an encyclopedia or anything like that. And, best of all, you're not spending over $1,000 on season disks!

David Watts · 03-20-2014, 07:56 AM

Just want to say thanks to pstrickert and Charlie for all the info and help you provided me in this thread. The amount of info this forum provides blows me away. I love the fact that when stumped by something, often all it takes is to bring it up here and a solution can be found. I also appreciate all the different points of view this forum provides.

03-19-2014, 11:22 AM	#1
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,127 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Recalc question I have a question in regards to recalc and hopefully someone can answer it for me. When you start a historical league you pick the year you want to start with, what you want potential based on and the years used for pitching stamina and position ratings. The game then imports all the players. You then go through the rest of the setup process including the choice of whether or not you want to use recalc or the development engine. However, it isn't until the league is setup that you get the option to choose if you want 1, 3 or 5 year recalc. 3 year recalc is the default. My question is, are all leagues using recalc played under a 3 year recalc for the initial season and then changed to the users choice(for example 1 year) during the very first off season? Hopefully my question makes sense. Last edited by David Watts; 03-19-2014 at 11:34 AM.

03-19-2014, 02:50 PM	#16
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,644	LOL. No, as pstrickert pointed out, maybe some of the labeling and terminology is confusing. But single reason replay mode is a way that people who play DMB or SOM can do a single season replay based on one year of historical stats and then stop there if they want. But OOTP is designed for career games, so the software doesn't stop after one season unless you simply stop using your saved game and don't simulate any further. You can keep playing forward and run future seasons based on a one-year recalc. If you're using real transactions and lineups, along with automatic expansion and so on, you can keep simulating seasons "strict replay style", based on the one-year recalculation. So it's like being able to continue your DMB or SOM replays all the way through baseball history, and OOTP tracks all the stats, records, and history for you. There's no need to compile stats to an encyclopedia or anything like that. And, best of all, you're not spending over $1,000 on season disks! Last edited by Charlie Hough; 03-20-2014 at 12:29 PM.

03-19-2014, 11:50 AM	#2
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,988	The screen on which you choose a year should also include an option for Single-Season Replay or Career. Does it not? Choosing one or the other will give you 1-year or 3-year recalc, respectively.

03-19-2014, 12:04 PM	#4
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,988	No. The assumption (for whatever reason) is that users will opt for 3-year recalc when running a career sim. But it is no problem at all to use 1-year recalc for a career sim. Kind of confusing, isn't it? Also, if you forget to make your choice at this early stage in the wizard, you can always change recalc later to 1-, 3-, or 5-year. The game will automatically recalculate the player ratings.

03-19-2014, 12:28 PM	#6
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,988	That I'm not sure about, David. I'm not sure what exact date the recalc occurs once you've got a long-term league running. I believe you can go to the League Settings - Historical screen and change the recalc rate at any time. It will then recalculate everyone's ratings in the league. At least, it appears to.

03-19-2014, 12:37 PM	#8
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,988	If you import a season and choose 1-year recalc (or single-season replay), the ratings for that season will definitely be based on that single season. That much is clear.

03-19-2014, 01:08 PM	#9
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,644	If you choose 1-year recalc in the wizard when you create your game, 1-year recalc will be used from the beginning. Guaranteed. Period. When OOTP creates historical players, it calculates their ratings based on the recalc period that was chosen during league setup. For future seasons, recalc happens on January 1, when the league transitions out of the off-season and into the pre-season.

03-19-2014, 01:30 PM	#11
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,988	Choosing "Single-Season Replay" makes it 1-year recalc. Choosing "Career Play" makes it 3-year recalc. Nothing else you need to do.

03-19-2014, 01:45 PM	#13
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,988	No. Forget the label. Think of it as "1-yr recalc" instead.

03-19-2014, 02:48 PM	#15
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,988	The label is used for the sake of ex-Strat players. But it probably causes more confusion for everyone else. "Single-season replay" works just fine for career play. "Career Play" works just fine for single-season replays. The only real difference is the recalc range. And don't feel bad about learning something new, David. It happens to me, too. Sometimes, I'll even find myself at a screen I never knew existed before.

03-20-2014, 07:56 AM	#17
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,127 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Just want to say thanks to pstrickert and Charlie for all the info and help you provided me in this thread. The amount of info this forum provides blows me away. I love the fact that when stumped by something, often all it takes is to bring it up here and a solution can be found. I also appreciate all the different points of view this forum provides.