Skilled players still being shipped to the AHL?

[Crombeen]

This is the AHL team of the Penguins for moe than a month now. J. Neal had played 9 NHL games recording 12 points before getting shipped to the AHL.

Others I have found M. Gaborik is playing from the start at the AHL of the Kings.

[chimp82x]

Did you start a game with the opening day rosters or the trade deadline rosters?

[Crombeen]

trade-dealine rosters, because if you start it at openings-night rosters most players don't have the right attributes.

I have to say, all attributes in this game are almost correct it's fair when you start the game with the trade-dealine rosters.

The only thing I see happening is that the league leader in the OHL has 77 points at the end. That's a bit weak if you ask me.

[chimp82x]

I believe Jeff said that if you use the trade deadline rosters then the salaries are all out of whack and teams are forced to send guys to the AHL to get under the cap. It makes sense...many NHL teams are currently over the cap after mid-season trades. Pittsburgh is currently the worst (~$6M over the cap) so it makes sense that they have so many guys in the AHL in your game.

[Crombeen]

It's understandable but sending J. Neal to the AHL ?

And the worst part not even get claimed because he has to pass Waivers.
Teams should search other options before a potential or current overall of 8.0 sending down.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by Crombeen

It's understandable but sending J. Neal to the AHL ?

And the worst part not even get claimed because he has to pass Waivers.
Teams should search other options before a potential or current overall of 8.0 sending down.

He's not being claimed because of his salary - makes perfect sense

He's being sent down because of his salary - makes perfect sense


No team wants to take that salary on because most are at the cap now.

The Pens are moving guys down to get under the cap - so big salaries have to be moved.


This is the choice one has to make - if we start a new game with the trade deadline rosters, then we have to live with the fact that high end/high salary players are going to the minors for a while.

The other option is to start with the opening day rosters the way they actually were.

[pens66]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

He's not being claimed because of his salary - makes perfect sense

He's being sent down because of his salary - makes perfect sense


No team wants to take that salary on because most are at the cap now.

The Pens are moving guys down to get under the cap - so big salaries have to be moved.


This is the choice one has to make - if we start a new game with the trade deadline rosters, then we have to live with the fact that high end/high salary players are going to the minors for a while.

The other option is to start with the opening day rosters the way they actually were.

If you start a game with the deadline rosters Buffalo, Calgary, Carolina, Colorado, Edmonton, Florida and the New York Islanders hav 10+ millions of cap space.
It is, quite frankly, ridiculous that none of those teams would claim one of the best pure goal scorers in the game with a $5,000,000 cap hit (James Neal) off waivers. There's simply no excuse.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by pens66

If you start a game with the deadline rosters Buffalo, Calgary, Carolina, Colorado, Edmonton, Florida and the New York Islanders hav 10+ millions of cap space.
It is, quite frankly, ridiculous that none of those teams would claim one of the best pure goal scorers in the game with a $5,000,000 cap hit (James Neal) off waivers. There's simply no excuse.

How long is his contract? It's certainly realistic that players with high salaries/long contracts don't get claimed, even by teams with cap room. You have to look at those teams situations as well. If they have some FA's and RFA's coming up for renewal they may well have other plans for the money. It's not just a matter of "We have the cap room right now". You have to look at long term plans and each teams individual situation as well.

You also have to remember, this is a computer game - it doesn't know Neal from Joe Smith, names don't mean anything to the computer. It looks at numbers.

[Crombeen]

Keep it realistic please.. IF the Pens would place J. Neal on Waivers - Buffalo would be the first team to claim him even without thinking or even if they didn't had any salary cap space available at that time. After that ( or any other team ) would place Ville Leino on or somebody else who's useless on Waivers to make some space for J. Neal.

[old fat bald guy]

Not sure I understand why people get bent out of shape over the start date. If you're going to play a lot of seasons, pretty soon players won't have the "right" attributes, if by "right" you mean what happens in real life. The game becomes a world of its own. In long Football Manager saves I've seen Wayne Rooney fail to blossom and spend a long career as an average striker for Everton, I've seen other guys who were average in real life become superstars, I've seen Sunderland win the Premiership after being bought by a tycoon -- this is a big part of the fun.

Just imo.

[pens66]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

How long is his contract? It's certainly realistic that players with high salaries/long contracts don't get claimed, even by teams with cap room. You have to look at those teams situations as well. If they have some FA's and RFA's coming up for renewal they may well have other plans for the money. It's not just a matter of "We have the cap room right now". You have to look at long term plans and each teams individual situation as well.

You also have to remember, this is a computer game - it doesn't know Neal from Joe Smith, names don't mean anything to the computer. It looks at numbers.

Do you even know James Neal!?
He is scoring at a 0,5 goals per game clip for the last three seasons. Only Ovechkin and Stamkos are better.
As for your contract argument: Neal is signed for five years at $5 million per year.
I know 29 NHL teams who would kill to get their hands at James Neal.

Yeah, the game looks at numbers. But it obviously looks at them the wrong way.

[Oren Djoos]

The Pens sending down their best players to 'get under the cap' (which is nonsense, they don't need to send down ALL of those guys to get under) and not having any of them claimed has been a bug since the very first beta what, a year ago now? This is ridiculous.

[Empach]

Originally Posted by Oren Djoos

The Pens sending down their best players to 'get under the cap' (which is nonsense, they don't need to send down ALL of those guys to get under) and not having any of them claimed has been a bug since the very first beta what, a year ago now? This is ridiculous.

Actually cap savings for sending down players are only around $900k since the new CBA, so most of their salaries are still on the book. James Neal for example is still eating up over 4mil of the cap even while in the minors.


Myself I'm actually happy the AI is ignoring these stars on waivers in the first year when using deadline rosters. This is clearly a flaw created by unrealistic circumstances and it would annoy me to no ends to see Pittsburgh lose half their best players because of this.

I'm more concerned if the AI is skipping waivers entirely.


In another thread someone suggested bumping up the salary cap for the deadline rosters. On the surface that seems like a great solution but I could see it creating long term issues into the second and third seasons.

[geckon]

Originally Posted by Empach

I'm more concerned if the AI is skipping waivers entirely.

I think I've seen the AI claiming players.

[JeffR]

Originally Posted by Crombeen

trade-dealine rosters, because if you start it at openings-night rosters most players don't have the right attributes.

Players on the opening night rosters have the same attributes as the trade deadline rosters. The only thing that changes is their team, contract, and rights data.

[Crombeen]

Okay, I thought I saw a few differences but I believe you

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by pens66

Do you even know James Neal!?
He is scoring at a 0,5 goals per game clip for the last three seasons. Only Ovechkin and Stamkos are better.
As for your contract argument: Neal is signed for five years at $5 million per year.
I know 29 NHL teams who would kill to get their hands at James Neal.

Yeah, the game looks at numbers. But it obviously looks at them the wrong way.

No, I don't know who James Neal is, I've only been following the NHL for 54 years.

Contract argument - it wasn't an argument, it was a question. I didn't have his numbers handy.

I was "asking" these things because of what was pointed out by Jeff about teams moving a lot of high salary players to the AHL when starting a new game with trade deadline rosters.

Sorry if it came across as an argument, it wasn't.

[pens66]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Sorry if it came across as an argument, it wasn't.

Good. Neal was really a bad example to make a point in this context

[Crombeen]

Don't know what they have done but isn't this guy just lovable?

Prolly had a cold streak in the 2nd week of the season.


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[plaugher]

Chicago appears to have solved their cap issues by completely gutting their defense:

Chicago pairings:
Duncan Keith / Blake Sloan
Filip Kuba / Theo Peckham
Klas Dahlbeck / Victor Svedberg

Rockford pairings:
Johnny Oduya / Brent Seabrook
Nick Leddy / Niklas Hjalmarsson
David Rundblad / Michal Rozsival