Two ideas - new fielding positions/RP v SP

[clwalcott]

Hi, I have two suggestions for the new game...

I would like some kind of indication, when a player is moved to a new position, how long it will take him to improve at the position from my scouts. I'm also (or particularly?) curious as to this as it applies moving left on the defensive spectrum. For example, if I have an outstanding defensive shortstop and move him to 2b, at the moment it seems (and I could have this wrong, but again, this is sort of part of the issue, I don't know) that he will be basically a butcher, which doesn't seem quite right. I don't know precisely how to deal with all this in the game but would like it taken into account.

Similarly, moving pitchers from the bullpen to the rotation seems to be basically impossible, as their stamina SEEMS (and again, could be wrong) to be woefully inadequate. Does it improve? I am very leery of moving Chapman, say, to the rotation because it seems he will be useless by the current ratings, even if on a normal starter's rest. Relievers seem to always be relievers forever. I think the whole idea behind stamina for pitchers needs a rethink.

Thanks for an awesome game lads and I can't wait for the next installment!

[pjh5165]

Originally Posted by clwalcott

Hi, I have two suggestions for the new game...

I would like some kind of indication, when a player is moved to a new position, how long it will take him to improve at the position from my scouts. I'm also (or particularly?) curious as to this as it applies moving left on the defensive spectrum. For example, if I have an outstanding defensive shortstop and move him to 2b, at the moment it seems (and I could have this wrong, but again, this is sort of part of the issue, I don't know) that he will be basically a butcher, which doesn't seem quite right. I don't know precisely how to deal with all this in the game but would like it taken into account.

Similarly, moving pitchers from the bullpen to the rotation seems to be basically impossible, as their stamina SEEMS (and again, could be wrong) to be woefully inadequate. Does it improve? I am very leery of moving Chapman, say, to the rotation because it seems he will be useless by the current ratings, even if on a normal starter's rest. Relievers seem to always be relievers forever. I think the whole idea behind stamina for pitchers needs a rethink.

Thanks for an awesome game lads and I can't wait for the next installment!

Are you changing his position from CL/MR to SP? I know the game processes fatigue differently for starters and relievers, so actually changing his position is important for moving relievers to the rotation.

[clwalcott]

Thats fine, but again, I want to know if moving Chapman to the bullpen means I have a basically useless starter for a year or not...does that make sense? Making him a SP makes no difference, he still has a 30 stamina rating

[blasek0]

Originally Posted by clwalcott

Thats fine, but again, I want to know if moving Chapman to the bullpen means I have a basically useless starter for a year or not...does that make sense? Making him a SP makes no difference, he still has a 30 stamina rating

An SP with 30 stamina can still throw 80-100+ pitches. They just don't recover as quickly and start becoming less effective at lower pitch counts than SPs with higher stamina. The game actually handles them differently.

[RchW]

There's no evidence IRL that he would be an effective SP long term.

[clwalcott]

Originally Posted by blasek0

An SP with 30 stamina can still throw 80-100+ pitches. They just don't recover as quickly and start becoming less effective at lower pitch counts than SPs with higher stamina. The game actually handles them differently.

Is that how it works? Why can't I make Chapman into a normal starter? Or can I? It's not clear to me I can in OOTP 14

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by clwalcott

Is that how it works? Why can't I make Chapman into a normal starter? Or can I? It's not clear to me I can in OOTP 14

blasek's not saying that he wouldn't be a "normal" starter. His point is that the game handles stamina differently for relievers and for starters. A reliever with 30 stamina (I'm assuming on a 1-100 scale?) would only be useful for an inning, maybe two if he doesn't throw a lot of pitches. But if that guy becomes a starter, that 30 stamina translates into something in the range of 80-100 pitches - which is still low for a starter, but some starters do only throw 90 pitches a game and are still effective.

Number of pitches matters more than stamina when it comes to turning a guy into a starter. A player needs three acceptable pitches to be a decent starter; most relievers only have two. Another important thing to remember is that there's no hard and fast rule here. Some guys could be amazing starters with low stamina and only two pitches, even though you'd probably have to be rather lucky for that to happen.

For what it's worth, it's 2019 in my MLB league, and Chapman has been a starter since 2014. He's got a 4 stamina rating on a 2-8 scale (meaning below average), and his ERA has stayed pretty consistently between 3.50 and 4.00.

[clwalcott]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

blasek's not saying that he wouldn't be a "normal" starter. His point is that the game handles stamina differently for relievers and for starters. A reliever with 30 stamina (I'm assuming on a 1-100 scale?) would only be useful for an inning, maybe two if he doesn't throw a lot of pitches. But if that guy becomes a starter, that 30 stamina translates into something in the range of 80-100 pitches - which is still low for a starter, but some starters do only throw 90 pitches a game and are still effective.

Number of pitches matters more than stamina when it comes to turning a guy into a starter. A player needs three acceptable pitches to be a decent starter; most relievers only have two. Another important thing to remember is that there's no hard and fast rule here. Some guys could be amazing starters with low stamina and only two pitches, even though you'd probably have to be rather lucky for that to happen.

For what it's worth, it's 2019 in my MLB league, and Chapman has been a starter since 2014. He's got a 4 stamina rating on a 2-8 scale (meaning below average), and his ERA has stayed pretty consistently between 3.50 and 4.00.

I understand the 3 pitch issue, but my concern is me as a manager has no way to gauge what "30" stamina means for a starting pitcher which seems to be 100% to do with his history as a reliever

[Painmantle]

30 stamina should get him into the 6th inning more often than not, on a good day to the 7th. In my experience the line for enough stamina to be a starter is 3 (on a 10 point scale) so 6 on a 20, 30 in a 100 etc...He should be fine as long as your ok with him going 5-7 innings an outing, which seems to be the norm in the Modern era anyway. BUT changing his position designation to SP is a must.

[clwalcott]

So then why is Hellickson DOUBLE Chapman?

[RchW]

The scale may not be linear.

[blasek0]

Originally Posted by clwalcott

I understand the 3 pitch issue, but my concern is me as a manager has no way to gauge what "30" stamina means for a starting pitcher which seems to be 100% to do with his history as a reliever

The stamina number as an SP vs an RP is used entirely differently. There are RPs with 100 stamina ratings. One in my fictional league used it to throw ~180 IP over ~140 games (in a 200 game season, however). He'd probably be effective as a starter if he had a 3rd pitch, but he doesn't, so he was my setup guy and backup closer.

A starting pitcher with 30 stamina can still reliably give you 5-6 quality IP a game, they just won't be giving you 8+ IP on a frequent basis, even with multiple plus pitches.

If you're worried about the stamina rating, put Chapman into the rotation and put him on an 80-90 pitch count. He'll only be working 5-6 innings, and the lack of stamina shouldn't be derped through by the AI manager if you simulate games.

[clwalcott]

Let's say Chapman was put in the rotation this year, normal rest, prepared as a starter...would we really expect him to have noticably less stamina, going into games deeply, than a normal starter? I remember CJ Wilson, for instance, being treated perfectly normally IRL once he moved to the rotation.

In OOTP, when you move a pitcher to the bullpen, he gets a lift in stuff with the transition, I think when you make the opposite move, he should get a lift in stamina in the transition.

[blasek0]

Originally Posted by clwalcott

In OOTP, when you move a pitcher to the bullpen, he gets a lift in stuff with the transition, I think when you make the opposite move, he should get a lift in stamina in the transition.

It's easier for the game to just use a different scale with the stamina number the pitcher already has, which is what it already does.