Starting as minor league coach

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Things have changed. A few years back it was agreed that playing in Commissioner Mode was not cheating. Now some of you think it is.

Thanks for the information.

I doubt anyone on here is claiming that playing in Commissioner Mode is 100% cheating cut and dried. But, when one plays as a minor league manager using Commissioner Mode to gain a promotion or change ones roster would have to be considered cheating. Mr Marlin in his post points out several ways that one can use Commissioner Mode that could never be construed as cheating. So, I guess my point is, everything is not 100% black and white. Ugh!

[ajsas01]

How long does it usually take to become a Major League GM in OOTP, without any commisioner mode cheating?

Originally Posted by The Wolf

That wasn't my take on it. "Commissioner mode cheating" seems totally cut and dried to me.

Um, the context that was provided earlier in the same sentence would seem to invalidate your premise.

"How can I do X, with commissioner mode cheating" means not using comissioner power to accomplish X without any in-game meta-qualifications. It does not mean commissioner mode is a cheat mode no matter how it is used.

As a god-mode comissioner of my own league, I have no idea how you would become so defensive over the OP's innocent question. I certainly didn't think he was getting a dig at commissioner-mode players..

Sometimes The Wolf reminds me of a bad patent attorney.

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[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by ajsas01

How long does it usually take to become a Major League GM in OOTP, without any commisioner mode cheating?



Um, the context that was provided earlier in the same sentence would seem to invalidate your premise.

"How can I do X, with commissioner mode cheating" means not using comissioner power to accomplish X without any in-game meta-qualifications. It does not mean commissioner mode is a cheat mode no matter how it is used.

As a god-mode comissioner of my own league, I have no idea how you would become so defensive over the OP's innocent question. I certainly didn't think he was getting a dig at commissioner-mode players..

Sometimes The Wolf reminds me of a bad patent attorney.

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I won't tell you what you remind me of.

Commissioner Mode was never thought of before as Cheat Mode. Now it is, at least by some - and no, not by all.

That's a big change.

[Fyrestorm3]

Why do we even care if it's cheating or not? It's a single player game. By definition, you yourself determine what constitutes "cheating" for you.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

Why do we even care if it's cheating or not? It's a single player game. By definition, you yourself determine what constitutes "cheating" for you.

Define "we."

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Define "we."

define "define" :-)

[le receveur]

and as for cheating, i think forcing a trade is cheating, so in my solo if i did that (which i can in commissioner mode) i would be cheating my game, but this is personal. it actually also evolves, i use to be fine in changing a players not on my roster's assigned position (specially Pitcher to Hitter), to see the impact of rating. Now i consider that off limit, for ME.

[Mr. Marlin]

As Markus would say, it's your game play it your way. I play it the way I do because I want it to be hard. If you want to use commish mode, use it. Cheating implies you are hurting the game or someone else in some way. It's a single player game. There is no cheating. If you want to force a trade, make a stinky player into a great one, make your fan base more supportive, whatever then do it. It's your game!

But I think you'll find that once you take the challenge out of it is stops being fun. At least that is how it works for me. If I knew for absolute certain my team was going to win the championship this season I probably wouldn't even play.

Hey, I thought this thread was about being a minor league manager? Sidetracking a thread... now THATS cheating!

[rpriske]

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE has a line of what they will do and what they won't. The problem with the word 'cheating' is it implies some sort of morality statement. In my case, that isn't what I mean.

Why don't I use commisioner mode for any case other than when the game screws up? Because I am playing a game, win or lose. I figure if I start changing things against the natural progression of the game, what is to stop me from just going in and making it so I am the best team and win every time?

This is the same reason I try not to take advantage of the trade engine. If I can just MAKE it so I win, why bother playing?

Other people put their line in different places, but everyone has that line. Where the line 'should' be is a meaningless question, because it is a solo game. Play it how you want.

(The fact that different people want different things out of the game isn't new... I still don't really 'get' why people play purely fictional leagues... but they do, so go to it!)

[The Wolf]

Thanks for all of the clarifications.

I never thought of it as a cheat mode. Kind of shocking that some do, actually.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Thanks for all of the clarifications.

I never thought of it as a cheat mode. Kind of shocking that some do, actually.

I don't. I have to use it so my league turns out close to what it was on other games. But other then that one league I dont play in Commish mode unless I am editing a new players stats, parks, uniforms or playing out the ASG.

[Painmantle]

Hey, why don't you guys commandeer this thread into a cheating thread instead of a "How long does it take thread?" O wait....Never Mind!

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Painmantle

Hey, why don't you guys commandeer this thread into a cheating thread instead of a "How long does it take thread?" O wait....Never Mind!

No. When the OP writes "commissioner mode cheat" in the first sentence of the opening post that puts the subject fully in play.

[Painmantle]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

No. When the OP writes "commissioner mode cheat" in the first sentence of the opening post that puts the subject fully in play.

Look , Everyone, even you, knew what his question was. Simply put;


" How long does it take to advance to the ML level after starting as a minor league coach without assigning yourself a team via logging in as the Commish?"


Whether or not "Commish Mode" is cheating is irrelevant to the topic, BUT as usual "The Wolf" takes advantage of every opportunity to create controversy and arguments for his own enjoyment.


So to get back on topic, the answer is ; "Play until you get to the ML and let us know how long it took, because there is absolutely no time limit other than the possibility of getting fired. I personally have made it to the AA level in 3 seasons starting out from Rookie Leagues. I can't say how long it takes to get to the ML level cause I never have...and I'd be willing to guess that 99% of the people on these boards haven't played in that mode often enough or long enough to know the actual answer.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Painmantle

Look , Everyone, even you, knew what his question was. Simply put;


" How long does it take to advance to the ML level after starting as a minor league coach without assigning yourself a team via logging in as the Commish?"


Whether or not "Commish Mode" is cheating is irrelevant to the topic, BUT as usual "The Wolf" takes advantage of every opportunity to create controversy and arguments for his own enjoyment.


So to get back on topic, the answer is ; "Play until you get to the ML and let us know how long it took, because there is absolutely no time limit other than the possibility of getting fired. I personally have made it to the AA level in 3 seasons starting out from Rookie Leagues. I can't say how long it takes to get to the ML level cause I never have...and I'd be willing to guess that 99% of the people on these boards haven't played in that mode often enough or long enough to know the actual answer.

Horse manure. He called it cheating. In the first sentence. You may want to wish that away because he's a newbie and should have his hand held but he wrote that.

My question was legitimate. I wanted an answer, not conflict, and certainly not an inquisition over how dare I ask a legitimate question about something the OP wrote in his first sentence.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Horse manure. He called it cheating. In the first sentence. You may want to wish that away because he's a newbie and should have his hand held but he wrote that.

My question was legitimate. I wanted an answer, not conflict, and certainly not an inquisition over how dare I ask a legitimate question about something the OP wrote in his first sentence.

Several people attempted to answer your question. Are you not satisfied with the answer you were given?

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by Strasburger

How long does it usually take to become a Major League GM in OOTP, without any commisioner mode cheating?

To answer the OP:


Here is how long I lasted. About 1 season then a sim ahead to see if it got better a level or two up. It didn't. Fudge dies.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

To answer the OP:


Here is how long I lasted. About 1 season then a sim ahead to see if it got better a level or two up. It didn't. Fudge dies.

ok.. intrigued I went to look at the dynasty report, only 3 pages and your style is fun... love the Rio Ruiz saga... and note I didn't pay attention to what you just wrote above... then I get to the bus crash... I actually burst into laughter...

thank you...

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

To answer the OP:


Here is how long I lasted. About 1 season then a sim ahead to see if it got better a level or two up. It didn't. Fudge dies.

Ah, one of my all-time favorite Dynasty Reports. I don't even care that it ends so abruptly; that makes it so much better.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by The Game

Several people attempted to answer your question. Are you not satisfied with the answer you were given?

Yes, I am. But I got tired of being sanctimoniously snarked at by people whom I have watched hijack threads for years themselves.