Drafting Slot Demands After 5th Round - a Warning

hefalumps · 01-09-2014, 06:01 PM

According to the OOTP manual, if you have "Advanced Draft Signings" enabled, slot bonuses apply to only the first five rounds.

Well, in the sixth round of my draft, there was still one high school player demanding a ridiculous signing bonus for his level of talent. Since there was nothing but garbage left, I figured I'd draft him, and since there was no slotting after the first five rounds, I thought maybe I'd be able to get him for free. After all, most players with no demands that are drafted in the 6th round and later just go straight to your minor league system.

Well, it backfired. I went to my Draft Pick Negotiation screen and there he is - a 6th round pick demanding more than my 1st round pick and awaiting an offer. #facepalm

And what's worse, after reading through the documentation, it makes it sound like since I drafted him in the 6th round, I won't necessarily get compensation next year when I refuse to give in to his demands. Whoops!

So just a word of warning to anyone else who might be thinking along the same lines as me. Guys with demands will still have to be negotiated with, even if you draft them after the fifth round! Steer clear!

le receveur · 01-09-2014, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

According to the OOTP manual, if you have "Advanced Draft Signings" enabled, slot bonuses apply to only the first five rounds.

Well, in the sixth round of my draft, there was still one high school player demanding a ridiculous signing bonus for his level of talent. Since there was nothing but garbage left, I figured I'd draft him, and since there was no slotting after the first five rounds, I thought maybe I'd be able to get him for free. After all, most players with no demands that are drafted in the 6th round and later just go straight to your minor league system.

Well, it backfired. I went to my Draft Pick Negotiation screen and there he is - a 6th round pick demanding more than my 1st round pick and awaiting an offer. #facepalm

And what's worse, after reading through the documentation, it makes it sound like since I drafted him in the 6th round, I won't necessarily get compensation next year when I refuse to give in to his demands. Whoops!

So just a word of warning to anyone else who might be thinking along the same lines as me. Guys with demands will still have to be negotiated with, even if you draft them after the fifth round! Steer clear!

no compensation for sure.

by the way the guide does mention this:

Advanced Draftee Signings
When the draft begins, you will have a choice of whether or not to enable Advanced Draftee Signings. When Advanced Draftee Signings are disabled, drafted players automatically sign contracts for their stated demands. The Advanced Draftee Signings feature is more realistic, and requires teams to negotiate with draftees selected in the first five rounds of the draft as well as players drafted later who have a specified signing bonus demand (ie not "slot"). Teams must sign players before a deadline (usually two months after the draft), or risk the player returning to the draft in the following season.

note: from what i saw players listed with small bonus demands (i always get a bunch of about $200,000 in the $1,500,000 environment) revert to being SLot after the 5th round and are generally get automatically signed

hefalumps · 01-09-2014, 06:34 PM

Yeah unfortunately I didn't notice that until AFTER I drafted him. Ah well. Even if I'd drafted him in the 5th round to get compensation, there's so little left by that point in my drafts - no biggie. But I won't forget it for next year's draft - that's for sure.

le receveur · 01-09-2014, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

Yeah unfortunately I didn't read that until AFTER I drafted him. Ah well. Even if I'd drafted him in the 5th round to get compensation, there's so little left by that point in my drafts - no biggie. But I won't forget it for next year's draft - that's for sure.

note. Compensation is only up to Round 3, like in RL. so even 5th round would not get you comp.

hefalumps · 01-09-2014, 06:41 PM

Yep you're right again. Guess I need to RTFM more closely next time.

I've played OOTP since version 5 but 14 is the first version that I've done drafts, so I guess I'm still trying to get all the rules straight in my head.

Slightly off topic, do you have any idea how OOTP does tiebreakers for draft order when two teams in different subleagues have the same record but never played each other? I can't find any info on that.

le receveur · 01-09-2014, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

Slightly off topic, do you have any idea how OOTP does tiebreakers for draft order when two teams in different subleagues have the same record but never played each other? I can't find any info on that.

never tested it. i know the RL answer (prior year's record) but not OOTP.

also, if someone knows, i would love to know how the FA comp picks order is derived.

Le Grande Orange · 01-10-2014, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by le receveur

note. Compensation is only up to Round 3, like in RL. so even 5th round would not get you comp.

To be more specific, in real life compensation for unsigned picks in the first two rounds is the overall pick number plus one in the next draft; for unsigned picks in the third round it is a pick in a supplemental round following the third round in the next draft.

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

Slightly off topic, do you have any idea how OOTP does tiebreakers for draft order when two teams in different subleagues have the same record but never played each other? I can't find any info on that.

Should be the same as in real life: the clubs' record in the previous season. For example, if two clubs had identical records in 2013, then whichever club had the poorer record in the 2012 season would draft first in the 2014 draft. If the clubs also had identical records in the 2012 season, then the one with the poorer record in 2011 would pick first. The tie-breaking goes back one season for as long as needed.

Head-to-head record is never used to break ties for drafting purposes, it's always broken by the record in a prior season.

le receveur · 01-10-2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

To be more specific, in real life compensation for unsigned picks in the first two rounds is the overall pick number plus one in the next draft; for unsigned picks in the third round it is a pick in a supplemental round following the third round in the next draft.

thanks. i knew i was missing something.

in addition in RL the compensation pick would bring comp if unsigned in year 2. the third year it would not be protected. also based on interpretations of the Blue Jays this year, it appears the Comp pick, even if not Top 10 is protected when signing a FA that got a qualifying offer.

not sure what OOTP does, but these are tiny quirks in the current system

01-09-2014, 06:01 PM	#1
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	Drafting Slot Demands After 5th Round - a Warning According to the OOTP manual, if you have "Advanced Draft Signings" enabled, slot bonuses apply to only the first five rounds. Well, in the sixth round of my draft, there was still one high school player demanding a ridiculous signing bonus for his level of talent. Since there was nothing but garbage left, I figured I'd draft him, and since there was no slotting after the first five rounds, I thought maybe I'd be able to get him for free. After all, most players with no demands that are drafted in the 6th round and later just go straight to your minor league system. Well, it backfired. I went to my Draft Pick Negotiation screen and there he is - a 6th round pick demanding more than my 1st round pick and awaiting an offer. #facepalm And what's worse, after reading through the documentation, it makes it sound like since I drafted him in the 6th round, I won't necessarily get compensation next year when I refuse to give in to his demands. Whoops! So just a word of warning to anyone else who might be thinking along the same lines as me. Guys with demands will still have to be negotiated with, even if you draft them after the fifth round! Steer clear!

01-09-2014, 06:34 PM	#3
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	Yeah unfortunately I didn't notice that until AFTER I drafted him. Ah well. Even if I'd drafted him in the 5th round to get compensation, there's so little left by that point in my drafts - no biggie. But I won't forget it for next year's draft - that's for sure. Last edited by hefalumps; 01-09-2014 at 06:35 PM.

01-09-2014, 06:41 PM	#5
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	Yep you're right again. Guess I need to RTFM more closely next time. I've played OOTP since version 5 but 14 is the first version that I've done drafts, so I guess I'm still trying to get all the rules straight in my head. Slightly off topic, do you have any idea how OOTP does tiebreakers for draft order when two teams in different subleagues have the same record but never played each other? I can't find any info on that.